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Discussion in 'Follow Alongs and Online Journeys' started by Graybeard, May 9, 2018.

  1. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    I am starting to buy ads from various ad networks for my own websites, whitelabels, and my own affiliate sites where I contract direct with the vendors/sponsors. So, before any affiliate networks AMs or Tracking tool guys get excited -- I am not your target customer ;) No offense meant but I have developed my own networks and IT tech way working. I hate dashboards, I hate tools -- I am the one that writes my own manual.

    I like ssh and a LINUX Konsole/xterm/terminal :>)

    Anyway ...

    1. All advertising networks that accept XXX Adult content will be considered.
    2. Anyone with high level B2B experience is welcomed also -- I have a very good Proxy/VPN product to market -- it is expensive $500/mo minimum commitment.

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  3. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    1. Clickadu in CZ
    Clickadu has a network of real adult websites that sell them traffic. Clickadu identifies the sites only as zoneid={1234567} but I can sort the good from the bad.

    So far in the last 2 days ... The target site is xmedia.stream | Live Sex Chat, Sex Shows and Webcam Sex - Amateur Cams and Pornstars

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    As of the last hour:

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    Tool #1 redirection server in ssh ;)
    Price free (Learning how to use it A Lot ;) )

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    So the 'journey' begins:D
     
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  4. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    Defining the goals of this:
    Each new user that premium joins and then later becomes a paying customer (paid-in conversion) is going to generate $100 - $200 average gross revenue to me per year.

    So, if 30K ads cost $35 and I get just one paying customer I would consider this a success and continue with that ad source (until the ratio becomes less).

    My goal with this site is $5,000 /yr in ad (spend) that will will yield 200 new PAYING customers /year. 600 to 1000 free premium signups (free validation with a Credit Card or Paypal acct [via Epoch Processing]).
     
  5. Graybeard

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    [​IMG]

    hits Wed 09 May 2018 01:23:08 PM EDT

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    big - 0 - so far:rolleyes: ...
     
  6. CAPN

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    You seem to know your numbers already. Interesting journey, I’m following.
     
  7. Graybeard

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    Clickadu seems to be having problems with date and time scheduling in their interface -- trust me I have screenshots and logs of the issues --but-- I will see if we can can *somehow* resolve them.

    The traffic (superficially) is OK. The IPs 97% resolve to residential IPs -- not click bots. However, the traffic is being sent at the wrong times and this *may* be one reason why my premium registration goals are not being met.

    I have Source #2 set up and am waiting to spend out Source #1's test.

    One thing that deserves being mentioned about selling cams: there has historically been delayed conversion results. The normal conversion process can take a few weeks wile a person introduced to a adult webcam site looks around and then *falls in love* with a model or even the general idea of cam sex -- then makes his registration and/or first buy. Patience is a bitch but necessary in the webcam biz.

    The party ain't started until the horney lady sings :p
     
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  8. azgold

    azgold Super Moderator Super Mod moderator affiliate

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    Thumbs up for finding a traffic source with few/no bots. We get a lot of people complaining about bot traffic, regardless of the source. ;) Sucks a bit about the scheduling being wrong but I'm sure you'll get that straightened out.

    Just priming the pump for meeting your goal.

    You certainly know how to turn a phrase. :D
     
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  9. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    I am filtering out many -- well over 1 million datacenter bots (click-bots) and old decrepit browsers and operating systems. To use webcam video chat you need good or better equipment -- modern PC's and not be too broke to by a good computer or a tablet.

    MISE 8.0 or Firefox 3.0 are not acceptable
    Poor people out for free porn need not apply -- show me the MONEY :)
     
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  10. azgold

    azgold Super Moderator Super Mod moderator affiliate

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    Holy crap!

    I admire your skill in finding and fixing the bot situation. Wish there was something that did that, either on the advertiser's end, or available as a tool for us non-techy types. Preferably done at the traffic source. Seems to be a lot to ask.

    Oh, come on! Even people on Commodores with dial-up need webcams. :D They make a nice change for when they're tired of playing Atari tennis.
     
  11. Graybeard

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    actually you need a good 4 core or a Android 5+
    If you come to a webcam site with <4.4.4 you are refused service :p po' folk need not apply
     
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  12. Graybeard

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    too much :D Bingbot followed my redirect from a popunder ad

    207.46.13.29 - - [10/May/2018:15:25:27 -0400] "GET /x/1=100-0001 HTTP/1.1" 302 165 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (co
    mpatible; bingbot/2.0; +http://www.bing.com/bingbot.htm)"

    wat u smokin' Bing?
     
  13. Graybeard

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    Webcam INTEL :D what the French and Italian traffic pages served were today 10, May, 2018 ;)

    ====list===
    /cam/MariahMonroe/?gl=1&AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=fr
    /cam/LittleRedBunny/?gl=1&AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=fr
    /cam/MariahMonroe/?gl=1&AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/LittleRedBunny/?gl=1&AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/AmberLynnXXX/?gl=1&AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/AmberLynnXXX/?gl=1&AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=fr
    /?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/SweetBoobs42DDD?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /webcam/anal-sex/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=fr
    /cam/Little_Mistress?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/MissNectar4u?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/Sweet_Blonde?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/your_angel69?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /?gl=1&AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/Amarilis?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/EvilFetishDomme?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/MissMelamory?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/very_bad?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /new.php?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=fr
    /new.php?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /webcam/huge-tits/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /webcam/shaved/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /webcam/shaved/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it&pagenum=1&sort_feature=none&sort_region=cent_east_eu&sort_language=it
    /webcam/shaved/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it&pagenum=1&sort_feature=none&sort_region=cent_east_eu&sort_language=none
    /?gl=1&AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=fr
    /?langchoice=fr
    /cam/_AUTUMN/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/AGNESSS/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/AlwaysWOW?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/AmberLynnXXX?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/AmeliaflowerXX?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/Anna_Ferrari?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/BBWStefany1963/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/BettyCuteGirl?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/Breea?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/CamiValencia/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/Daniela_Sensuall/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/DommeMelisa?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/ElaDevile?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/EvelynMorgan/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=fr
    /cam/FantasyBBW?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/FantasyBBW?gl=1&AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=fr
    /cam/Glans/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/GoldCurves/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/GoldieStar?gl=1&AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/HotNSensual?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/HotPenellope?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/Julietta_Girl/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/KateBekker/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=fr
    /cam/Kathiusha?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/KimSatomy/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/KristiLemaris/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/LadyLust69?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/LaylaLafayette/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=fr
    /cam/LeylaSQUIRT?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/Lovely_BlackCat/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/MaggieMilff?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/MariahMonroe?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/MiaSexy?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/MichelleMiss?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/MisteriousMilf?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/MYSTERYVIKKI?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/ODESSA_/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=fr
    /cam/Salome_Ryan/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/SaraFontana/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=fr
    /cam/SensualJulieBB?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/SpecialCerise?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/StripTeaseQueen/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/SweetBoobs42DDD?gl=1&AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/very_bad/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/VikkiLustful/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/XxHotAnalixX?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/Yenniffer/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=fr
    /cam/your_world?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/YourOnlySubmiss?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /cam/ZoeePorterr/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=fr
    /dmca.html?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /search.php?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=fr&tags=59894
    /search.php?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=fr&tags=788
    /search.php?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it&q=alekseevna
    /search.php?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it&tags=122
    /search.php?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it&tags=14558
    /search.php?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it&tags=18631
    /search.php?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it&tags=2230
    /search.php?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it&tags=34363
    /search.php?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it&tags=788
    /webcam/blonde-girls/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it
    /webcam/latin-girls/?AFNO=1-1115&langchoice=it

    _END_LIST_

    Day Index Page views
    5/10/2018 2819

    Every 30.0s: tac /home/cams/xxxxxxx.com/logs/access.log|grep 10/Ma... Thu May 10 18:35:07 2018

    6958

    ^total traffic redirects
    total today -- affiliate 1115 campaign 100-0004 (EU Tier 1)
     
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  14. Lana Kova

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    Hello @Graybeard, thank you for your feedback.

    We're still working on 2.0 platform version, so you can suggest some improvements and get some extra $20 for the new tests.
    If you got any, ping our Self-Serve Platform support via Skype: live:ssp.support_1
     
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  15. Graybeard

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    I have discussed this -- We are closing the account for the reasons that your SSP platform is problematic.
    Specifically with regard to scheduling. You spit all of the traffic out immediately when the ad is approved by your moderation. I need time delay and reasonably distributed traffic.

    If you want to discuss this just DM me here or you can find my account 1101991 is my last campaign and my balance is showing as -0- currently. I am awaiting PayPal's notification of the balance refunded.

    *** updated
    Clickadu s.r.o. just sent you a partial refund of $65.38 USD for your purchase.
    Ok -- no hard feelings ...
    ***

    The traffic itself seemed OK (human traffic) or at least from consumer IPs. Because of the nature of the webcam business, often registrations and paid-in conversions may take time, as I said above^.

    So, at this point I have -0- productivity -- that is not a big deal right now.

    When you have your new platform in a stable state, and in a state suitable to my time scheduling requirements, i.e.; hours of moderation 8 AM to 4 AM CEST/Daylite time (2 shifts) then I think you are prepared to do business with USA customers. Currently -- You are not.
     
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  16. Graybeard

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    [​IMG]

    Here are the final statistics on the actual RON traffic counted at the targeted website and the actual unit costs incurred .. on to the next test ...

    Bottom line it it was not productive (so far).
     
  17. azgold

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    Too bad. Didn't you say that it can take some time between first exposure and initial buy? Meaning, is there still a chance of those clicks converting, either on their own, or through retargeting?

    Good luck!
     
  18. Graybeard

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    well a $35 loss is not the end of the world for me :D
    And who knows what the final result will be. I have the leeway to create affiliate/ad tracking codes for each advertiser up to 9,999,999,999 then limitless on my redirection servers ;)
     
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  19. Graybeard

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    Second test starts in a few hours #2 TrafficShop

    A few (134 clicks) went out -- my error on the time release ... I fixed the times and the campaign remained active -- hopefully it restarts at 01:00 Thursday CEST Bucharest that's 8 PM USA.

    Same routine as before redirected to xmedia.stream so we have apples and apples. These are popunders as before so we know they are inexpensive but have low productivity. Some of his has to do with branding. ROMI
     
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    [​IMG]

    So the traffic has started at the correct time and the hits per hour rate seems to work OK :)
     
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    Funny thing, I was working out some of the stats this morning, while waking up with some coffee, and then I had an epiphany:

    I had over 1,000 *offers*, as you call them, happening simultaneously in my webcam *network* last night ...

    You see, for every ass there is a seat. Each Cam Girl (or cam performer (M/F/BI/TRANS)) is a distinct *offer* with their own attributes, personality traits and also the cost of playtime :).

    soooo ....

    Code:
    Landing Page    Sessions    New Users    Bounce Rate    Weighted Bounce Rate
    /cam/Bianca_Norwood?AFNO=1-1116    1    1    0.00%    0.00%
    /cam/AriannaWright/?gl=1&AFNO=1-1116&langchoice=fr    1    1    0.00%    0.00%
    /cam/ErikaXstacy/?gl=1&AFNO=1-1116&langchoice=fr    1    1    0.00%    0.00%
    /cam/LaraRios/?AFNO=1-20001    1    0    0.00%    0.00%
    /cam/LittleRedBunny/?gl=1&AFNO=1-1115    1    0    0.00%    0.00%
    /cam/Ellie_Conrad/?gl=1&AFNO=1-1116    1    1    0.00%    0.00%
    /cam/ErikaXstacy/?gl=1&AFNO=1-1116    2    2    0.00%    0.00%
    /cam/myhoneypotsjuicy/?gl=1&AFNO=1-1116&langchoice=fr    2    1    0.00%    0.00%
    /cam/NikkiSpade/?gl=1&AFNO=1-1116&langchoice=fr    2    2    0.00%    0.00%
    /cam/Petiteava/?gl=1&AFNO=1-1116    5    5    0.00%    0.00%
    /cam/SweetMarie1977/?gl=1&AFNO=1-1116    5    5    0.00%    0.00%
    /cam/NikkiSpade/?gl=1&AFNO=1-1116    19    19    5.26%    99.94%
    /cam/LusciousLopez/?gl=1&AFNO=1-1116    73    72    5.48%    394.56%
    /cam/CatherineTayler/?gl=1&AFNO=1-1116    11    11    18.18%    199.98%
    /cam/myhoneypotsjuicy/?gl=1&AFNO=1-1116    9    7    22.22%    155.54%
    /cam/JessieWolfe/?gl=1&AFNO=1-1116    3    3    66.67%    200.01%
    /cam/JezabelKnight/?gl=1&AFNO=1-1116    4    4    75.00%    300.00%
    /cam/CassidyNicole/?gl=1&AFNO=1-1116    5    5    80.00%    400.00%
    /cam/Nikki_Ferrari/?gl=1&AFNO=1-1116    35    35    85.71%    2999.85%
    /cam/SexVixxen/?gl=1&AFNO=1-1116    10    10    90.00%    900.00%
    /cam/DaisyLynn/?gl=1&AFNO=1-1116    101    98    95.05%    9314.90%
        292    283    25.88%    51.25% 
    Sorry, these PHP boards are awful at formatting stats :(

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    To make matters more complicated, *offers* may be unavailable at the time for the referred customer -- the performer is engaged in a private session or a group show |or| has gone offline and unavailable.

    Now these pops are the worst ads as far as conversion -- I know that from years of experience. However, they have 2 ROMI values;

    1. They produce top of mind branding (in the most obnoxious way--in your face) bad publicity is still publicity, top-of-mind branding ALWAYS matters when your goal is long-term.
    2. Pops present insight to marketing functions.
    Bottom line I spent $2.61 and made a lot of work for me :eek:

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    note the even time distribution (Time shown is -5GMT EDT (USA NY)
    I selected 8pm to Midnight Wed UAS/Can traffic.

    True values:

    1000/1872
    .53418803418803418803
    .53418803418803418803*.5125
    .27377136752136752136
    2.61/.27377136752136752136
    $9.533 Cost per 1000 pop CTR or actual View <ROMI(2)


    (2.61/1872)*1000
    $1.394/Cost per 1000 (raw)
    (2.61/1000)*1000
    $2.61/Cost per 1000 (Google Analytics Sessions) <ROMI(1)

    TrafficShop, my redirection server
    (my tracking *tool* :p) and the Xmedia.stream site click stats are within 2% of the traffic broker's counts. The counts are correct.
     
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