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Discussion in 'Follow Alongs and Online Journeys' started by Graybeard, May 9, 2018.

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    tyoussef

    tyoussef Moderator moderator Certified Vendor Service Manager affiliate

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    really cool Graybeard.
    still following .
     
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    really enjoyed reading this!!!

    any new updates?
     
  4. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    No, I stopped to 'regroup'.

    The white label I was using was not converting. I was feeding a dead horse -- I let the xmedia.stream domain just expire -- cut my losses with cambuilder and streamate -- they are just another write-off. Disappointed but not surprised considering just who is running Streamate these days.

    I set up a new cam white label, with an old established European webcam program, for one last try a few months ago and am getting 1 signup for about 50-70 sessions of users from my twitterbot -- low volume off a feed I have stopped working on for 4 month (resumes *soon*). The twitter feed traffic is better quality traffic than bulk ad traffic (pops, banners). I did find some porno-push notification (small volume and costly $0.25 to $0.45 CPC). My Twitterbot traffic costs $0.10 to $0.20 now -- some ads are involved.
    The new white label signup conditions are free DOI however the signup pays nothing and there is no credit card validation .

    Difference is: 25 free credits on the sign-up that can be used to tip in the chatrooms (free money).

    This will get the new sign-up addicted to spending (different marketing psychology (I like)). Out of credits! buy some more -- see some more (this is cam porn ... serious perving or so the thinking goes). Don't laugh the adult cam biz does a few $billion in revenue per year -- now one knows for sure ;)
    It's all revshare --and so far no buyers -- but only 7 DOI very few to tell. At least there is potential.

    Bottom line: A DOI sign-up has to buy for me to get paid.

    (.05 [per new session] *80 [sessions to 1 DOI] )*12 [DOI => Buying customer]
    scale=2;(.05*80)*12
    $48.00 cost per customer acquired

    push would (or PPC Bing maybe) would have to be closer to;
    scale=2;(.35*20)*7
    49.00
    Same basis as above

    That's a 200% ROMI over 14 months maybe <<< that is the upside (or pipe dream :D )

    **this may never work well enough to dump serious money into ...IDK but I will try again


    The problem is simple;
    a new webcam revshare customer is worth (median) $460 - $600 in this format private pay per view.
    I get about 30%+-
    scale=2;((460+600)/2)*.28 = $148.40 gross affiliate revenue
    or somewhere between $140 to $150 distributed over 3 to 20 months (varying per account)

    It's not a cash-on-cash ROI one-shot deal-- e.g.; $4 per SOI

    This first round cost $150 in ad spend and a lot of time used on deciphering the results. I am going to reuse the creatives (landing pages, server rewrites for those pages as well as the tracking that I worked out using my own servers and programming/scripting. <<< So, not a total loss ;)
     
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    Have you tried Mediavine?
     
  6. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    Do they operate a network of porn sites too? :p this is XXX content ...
     
  7. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    NEW Test --NEW *OFFER*

    **your actual results may differ ;)
    • CBD Physical products 30% CPS
    • 1 Year cookie (<ROFLMAO>)
    • Average sale amount $80-$110
    • AM said the average mobile conversion was 1:50
    Ad Network tested: popcash
    (popular low cost traffic around here so I thought I would spend $20.00) and see :)

    10 days I dripped traffic in various ways.
    Most of this traffic is US Desktop and Tablet.
    The popcash dashboard was new to me so there was a minor learning curve involved.
    Getting the traffic to come in slowly required day-parting and multiple daily budget changes.

    My server CPU was averaging 1.28 -- acceptable no issues rendering my landing page issues.
    The Traffic was US and GB mainly the load time in N. America was 900ms to 1.4 s depending

    RESULTS:

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    1. $0.048 is not a bad landed cost (I think all the rest is bullshit...)
    2. However -0- conversions I would expect just 1 (WTF)
    3. Maybe there are traffic qualities undetected?
    4. Maybe the offer is too expensive for this traffic?
    5. Maybe the offer is just bad (affinity, shaving, the target offer's load time is slow (5-7 s) e-commerce
     
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  8. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    update:

    159/751
    .21171
    490/(751-159)
    .82770


    21.2% of my filtered hits were more Bots (NXDOMAIN) no hostname (servers in datacenters)

    *aggregated with 2 traffic networks, all popunders, 17-27/July/2019
    My offer stats undercounted by 17% of what *could be* real people

    corrected found more :(
    173/751
    .23035
    490/(751-173)
    .84775

    23% of my filtered hits were more Bots (NXDOMAIN)|(SERVERFAIL) no hostname (servers in datacenters)
    *aggregated with 2 traffic networks, all popunders, 17-27/July/2019
    My offer stats undercounted by 11% of what *could be* real people


    8 unique IPs showed 2 clicks so they are real :D
    the rest?



    I have logs documenting all of this activity ;) if you care to subpoena them
     
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2019
  9. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    found another 55 "suspects"
    ====


    128.90.37.167|167.37.90.128.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer undefined.hostname.localhost.
    136.244.86.100|100.86.244.136.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 136.244.86.100.vultr.com.
    149.20.226.89|;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
    162.253.219.14|14.219.253.162.in-addr.arpa is an alias for 14.0/26.219.253.162.in-addr.arpa.
    164.68.108.137|137.108.68.164.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer vmi284035.contaboserver.net.
    172.58.224.152|152.224.58.172.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer ue.tmodns.net.
    173.235.82.102|102.82.235.173.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer unassigned-102-a.cspirefiber.net.
    173.248.170.17|17.170.248.173.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer hv28accu4050.donasoftware.com.
    185.202.172.58|58.172.202.185.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer straitcity.com.
    185.249.199.224|224.199.249.185.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer vps-zap349519-3.zap-srv.com.
    188.42.227.66|66.227.42.188.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 1d1-03-d3814-66.webazilla.com.
    199.244.51.162|162.51.244.199.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer us1.truckiez.com.au.
    207.59.175.5|5.175.59.207.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 207.59.175.5.cust.uslec.net.
    207.59.175.8|8.175.59.207.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 207.59.175.8.cust.uslec.net.
    31.131.29.92|92.29.131.31.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 92.29.131.31.cluashared01.twinservers.net.
    31.19.31.98|98.31.19.31.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer ip1f131f62.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de.
    3.14.10.186|186.10.14.3.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer ec2-3-14-10-186.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com.
    3.14.10.61|61.10.14.3.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer ec2-3-14-10-61.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com.
    3.15.159.8|8.159.15.3.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer ec2-3-15-159-8.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com.
    34.66.254.150|150.254.66.34.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 150.254.66.34.bc.googleusercontent.com.
    34.66.44.71|71.44.66.34.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 71.44.66.34.bc.googleusercontent.com.
    34.66.54.93|93.54.66.34.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 93.54.66.34.bc.googleusercontent.com.
    34.66.81.204|204.81.66.34.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 204.81.66.34.bc.googleusercontent.com.
    34.67.111.7|7.111.67.34.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 7.111.67.34.bc.googleusercontent.com.
    34.67.158.233|233.158.67.34.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 233.158.67.34.bc.googleusercontent.com.
    34.67.52.138|138.52.67.34.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 138.52.67.34.bc.googleusercontent.com.
    34.68.28.189|189.28.68.34.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 189.28.68.34.bc.googleusercontent.com.
    34.68.59.126|126.59.68.34.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 126.59.68.34.bc.googleusercontent.com.
    34.74.139.23|23.139.74.34.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 23.139.74.34.bc.googleusercontent.com.
    34.77.111.5|5.111.77.34.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 5.111.77.34.bc.googleusercontent.com.
    34.77.146.242|242.146.77.34.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 242.146.77.34.bc.googleusercontent.com.
    34.77.48.4|4.48.77.34.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 4.48.77.34.bc.googleusercontent.com.
    34.83.201.48|48.201.83.34.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 48.201.83.34.bc.googleusercontent.com.
    34.83.232.170|170.232.83.34.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 170.232.83.34.bc.googleusercontent.com.
    34.87.29.34|34.29.87.34.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 34.29.87.34.bc.googleusercontent.com.
    34.87.59.46|46.59.87.34.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 46.59.87.34.bc.googleusercontent.com.
    34.87.80.23|23.80.87.34.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 23.80.87.34.bc.googleusercontent.com.
    34.94.172.229|229.172.94.34.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 229.172.94.34.bc.googleusercontent.com.
    34.94.204.159|159.204.94.34.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 159.204.94.34.bc.googleusercontent.com.
    34.94.62.140|140.62.94.34.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 140.62.94.34.bc.googleusercontent.com.
    38.240.5.82|82.5.240.38.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer c0x90.net.
    45.33.48.184|184.48.33.45.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer li998-184.members.linode.com.
    66.102.6.151|151.6.102.66.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer google-proxy-66-102-6-151.google.com.
    66.102.6.152|152.6.102.66.in-addr.apa domain name pointer google-proxy-66-102-6-152.google.com.
    66.249.83.73|73.83.249.66.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer google-proxy-66-249-83-73.google.com.
    66.249.83.74|74.83.249.66.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer google-proxy-66-249-83-74.google.com.
    66.249.88.91|91.88.249.66.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer google-proxy-66-249-88-91.google.com.
    66.255.245.82|82.245.255.66.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 82-245-255-66.hesenergy.net.
    77.234.44.184|184.44.234.77.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer ten.emfme.net.
    66.102.6.153|153.6.102.66.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer google-proxy-66-102-6-153.google.com.
    217.146.81.102|102.81.146.217.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 102.81.146.217.baremetal.zare.com.
    69.4.81.89|89.81.4.69.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer kaplan.date0ffre.com.
    72.1.25.195|195.25.1.72.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer unassigned-72-1-25-195.ntd.net.
    96.30.196.35|35.196.30.96.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 96.30.196.35.vultr.com.
    105.93.203.99.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer ip-99-203-93-105.pools.cgn.spcsdns.net.


    time to update the filters AGAIN!
    All botz must die!
    Note: google proxy and googleusercontent (WTF) the enemy within?

    Now the CBD offer :
    490/(751-(173+55))
    .93690

    Count looks more accurate .... the other 6% (unknown)??

    Some 'oldies'

     
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2019
  10. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    I am going to try a 300x250 banner test on a limited trial
    2 day test

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    Price $22+shipping

    On porn sites :D well> YOU GOT A STUFFY NOSE?<
    I think that should stand out as a sore thumb with all the porn skin creatives ... WTF is this > Click? We will see ...

    I chose 2 websites with very different metrics so there would be some contrast to compare on any CPC I get (if any). The referring sites are recorded in my server logs, Times, User Agents (browsers).


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  11. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    1. Popunder is very mediocre really junk.
    2. Most of it is bots.
    3. (23/290)*1000 79.3/CPM is the cost per REAL CR on this landing page
    4. (23/1061)*1000 21.68/CPM was the REAL cost of the landing pages loaded
    5. 290/1061 27.33% <<<The net CTR OUT from the LP to the *OFFER*
    Conclusion:
    CBD as a product may have good customer affinity but is probably too costly for the income level of these persons that looked. I think that the demographic needs to be >1.15 of the average US consumer to get the conversions.

    You can't squeeze blood out of a rock ...


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  12. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    I rehashed about 1000 clicks out from my webcam feed at Twitter and found the demographic disappointing
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    Really sucked :p It may have been the nature of the feed not sure. The demographics do not match the global demographics that Twitter touts --hardly.

    If anyone has substantial, and statistically valid (500-2000), IP addresses from CTR on other Social Media, any Ad Network Data or SEM CPC data --US GEO ONLY. I would welcome contributions for an anonymized analysis -- posted here.

    At least I know when I am being fed garbage by facts and not intuition or assumption ;)
     
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