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Discussion in 'Follow Alongs and Online Journeys' started by Graybeard, May 9, 2018.

  1. Thecourage

    Thecourage Affiliate affiliate

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    Following this thread.

    Thanks Graybeard for sharing all this valuable information! :)

    That would definitely save up some money when testing traffic sources.


    Any recommendations of pop networks which are already tested and had great results?
     
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  3. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    Depends on how you define *results*
    If results mean goals or conversions -- so far pops are no good. However, until I get to 100K or more pops these *results* are only preliminary.
     
  4. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    Update on pop traffic

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    Click imgage to open full size^^^

    Clickadu is 1115
    Traffic Shop is 1116

    1. Clickadu reported 28,221 hits delivered Xmedia stats reports 19,096 or an actual reported delivery rate of .6766 *I had my firewall up for the test so some bot traffic may not have been logged.
    2. Traffic Shop reported 4,048 adjusted from (5374-1332<< different landing page test) Xmedia stats reports 3,513 or an actual reported delivery rate of .8678
      ***clarifications: 2,000 popunders and the balance of the 4,048 were skims

      **note: watching all the live logs last night -- I did notice SOME (not all) Chrome v 66 browsers were not redirecting properly.

    Clickadu 68 (final)
    Traffic Shop 87 (so far)

    My final arbitraters are the stats on Xmedia and the stats from its Google-Analytics program.

    Still no goals met just money spent. I think it is only $60 or so -- to me not big deal (loss).
     
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  5. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    New KPI based on about 28K engagements

    cam engagement

    ID 100-1115 Clickadu 19,096 clicks @xmedia
    91% light <1 min
    23% heavy >1min

    ID 100-1116 TrafficShop 9,010 clicks @xmedia
    80% light <1 min
    45% heavy >1min

    Still no premium registrations
    there appeared to be 7 attempts
    there were about 15 logins of other whitelabel users (I am assuming) this is the problem with whitelabels and established data bases for all users of a cam network ;( Old Story ...
     
  6. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    Note to self: Don't waste my money with mobile pops to MY webcam site :p

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    The mobile CTR is very deceiving I am not sure if it is a miss-click my WHOLE LP is a hyperlink LOL
    However, the 2+ pageviews of the Desktop users (3 pages if you include my LP) shows promise. Also comparing MY server log count and the GA counts the CTR is more like 5% off a popunder on desktops :)

    Still a FAIL :( no premium signups (account validation w/ a credit card <<< the goal)
     
  7. azgold

    azgold Administrator Administrator Dojo Master affiliate

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    Really high bounce rate on the mobile in those top two stats! I can see why you're giving those up.

    How long are you thinking of going with TS for the desktop?
     
  8. Anthony.

    Anthony. Affiliate affiliate

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    Good luck with this journey man! Following :D
     
  9. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    Hey how you been? Well, I found the method for an Adult popunder with a 5.5% CTR :)
    Maybe, I will change the sponsor (*offer*)soon -- money over loyalty every time ;)

    I am going to add another advertising network next week (4 day holiday in the USA -- Memorial Day) Summer starts :p Bad for biz usually
     
  10. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    IDK WTF

    45/291
    .15463917525773195876
    15% ctr on popunders?

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  11. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    I have reached a pivot point with feeding xmedia ads and getting nothing in return.

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    4K more landing page pops then I am moving on to pops for my own affiliate domains that link to a few adult webcam sites including (but not exclusive to) xmedia. No point in beating a dead horse -- the ad network testing continues with strategic changes.

    On the other hand, maybe 8K or so is the threshold? It will only cost another $7.00 to see ;)

    Just (1) WTF 1:8000
    We are talking a premium signup with a credit card or PayPal validation costing $0 the site is https and the biller is Epoch <good rep in adult.
     
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  12. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    Cambuilder's (ICF) user database is over-saturated -- too bad -- but that is my conclusion (so far)
    There have been 8 signup attempts all to the credit of other white labels (apparently) smid= (streamate user ID) the highest number almost 29 million sooo I will play out my move them pivot.

     
  13. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    I am trying something different now -- buying traffic into a social media page. So, I bought 1K 'mobile' adult pop unders and redirected them (so I could count). I used RON just to see what I would get this sample was from 874 hits received and redirected.

    I am watching the social media stats to see how it goes. HAHA stats hit the roof ...
     
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  14. Shahriar Hossain

    Shahriar Hossain Affiliate affiliate

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    How do you do that? Can you please inform me about that?
     
  15. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    Do what? Redirect and count? My servers ARE the *tracking tool*

    The specific os list:
    Code:
    @server:~# tac  /path-to/logs/access.log|grep  'GET {your page code}'|cut -d'"' -f6|cut -d';' -f1-3|cut -c -42 |uniq -c |sort -nr  |less
    #Then find the major versions:
    @server:~# tac  /path-to/logs/access.log|grep  'GET {your page code}'|cut -d'"' -f6|cut -d';' -f1-3|cut -c -42 |uniq -c |sort -nr  |grep 'Android 4\.[0-9]'  |wc -l
    grep -c would work too
     
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  16. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    Well, I am right about social media (in theory) the direct and referral is organic in nature and not the result of active advertising except for social media. However, the traffic volume and the ad CTR is a joke (tiny numbers) -- still a work in progress. Valid hypothesis and proven theory -- merchantability = undermined

    The target white label is a noindex domain
     
  17. ClickWD

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    Very interesting read. Please do keep the thread updated. Thank you.
     
  18. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    I am getting real people with popunders filtered by blacklisting domains, taking CTR from a landing page -- filtering it for any bots @cost of about $30/1000 net or $0.03 per CTR per interested person to the site
    Total Dessktop LP-22 spend$21.28
    Total Network ad count:14,000
    Small scale test;
    (raised bid, added blacklist domains (low durations, high bounce (junk traffic) all US traffic [this whitelabel is best for US traffic])
    TTL Spend:$10.08
    Network ad count:6,000
    Users 739
    Sessions 750
    Bounce Rate 13.73%
    Session Duration 1m 38s​

    The duration shortcoming is the fault of the website's offer or content (working that out) needs to be 3 min +
    There were 20 or so unique signup/ and signup/register *attempts*?

    almost ALL signup pages were on this test -- so the restrictions mattered

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    There is life after elgoog :p

    Bottom line: I am abandoning this white label for any direct advertising traffic for now as non-converting.
    I have spent $95.00 (no big deal) (almost 70K CPM) 16K actual sessions, 15K unique sessions, sending popunders and skim traffic with no signups even! The offer does not convert is what is proven here (I suppose). I will continue to link this white label from my other domain(s) (for now) but lower its priority -- maybe some SEO traffic or indirect ad traffic will convert IDK.

    What did I get for $90 + over $1000 of my time? A landing page that works with reasonable KPI's and SEO indicators to use on a domain that is indexed (and has G-A). We will see if that is worth something?
    A landing page that will work with another *offer* or white label -- I have a few new ones ;) to deploy soon

    Proven: it's really all in the landing page ;)
    obvious conclusion I suppose but it is based on empirical knowledge learned

    Phase 2 starts in a week? :D
     
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  19. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    So do you really want to use a landing page? So far seen on this type offer, adult webcam sites: YES

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    I worked this chart up last night -- I call it an *Affinity Analysis*

    affinity (ə-fĭnˈĭ-tē)

    n. A natural attraction, liking,
    Popunder => landing page (12.96% CTR) => website (offer) yielded a lower CPM and a greatly lowered bounce rate and a much better time on site per visitor which really matters for SEO.

    I did get over 20 people looking (attempting) to sign up -- they apparently did not like the terms -- credit card or other payment validation required -- however no charge to their account. Either; 1. no trust, 2. no money to spend, 3. too many free hardcore cam sites out there. However, they were interested enough to click the join button.

    Bottom line: You are only bringing in interested people into your website with a good landing page as a filter. It has been said over and over so it's an obvious conclusion but I only accept empirical evidence -- hard numbers -- here they are ...
     
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  20. Godlord

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    Please keep updating this! I read the whole thread!
     
  21. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    Life goes on ... I this were easy everyone would be doing it [I guess] ...

    Meantime, I am working on some new camsite white labels and with another sponsor I have worked with for years (profitably).
    Unfortunately, xmedia.stream hasn't gotten a single successful sign-up for free with a paypal or creditcard validation. I have 15K Google-Analytics user sessions and an ad spend $110.00 on mainly pop traffic (small money).

    $110/15,000
    .007333 per session

    $110/30 signup 'events'
    $3.666 per signup 'event'


    $110/15
    $7.333 net traffic cost per 1K/sessions

    I needed to see 3-5 minimum successful signups.
    Each signup is worth about $40 to $60 on average in annual revenue on average.

    cost per session is what matters to me -- then result per session
    The 2 ad networks claim about 75K *hits* do the math :rolleyes:

    I'll just revert to any SEO referral I get for this domain and move on <pivot>

    The new domain has a Free 25 Token incentive for validated signups. No Paypal(Epoch) however. I'll dump another $100 into the same type of ads and see if it clicks. I am going to add 2 new ad networks later (soon).
     
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