Organic SEO Expert Seeks Affiliate Help

[SEOproAffiliatenewb]

I'm an affiliate marketing newbie for sure! But, I am an organic SEO specialist. In other words, I can get any URL (website, video, article, press release, reviews, pdf documents, etc.) to the top 3 positions on page one of Google, Yahoo, Bing, etc. worldwide for any keyword and especially for highly competitive keywords.

If I wanted to make the most amount of money with affiliate marketing how would I utilize my organic SEO skills to do so?

All ideas welcome! Maybe help each other with same project?

 

[morris]

If that is an accurate statement, you should be making money in your sleep. That is an awesome talent to have and the sky is the limit for you to make a living on the net. How long does it take you to get in the top 3 and how long can you stay on top?

Here's to Persistence

Morris

 

[SEOproAffiliatenewb]

Yes, I made a rather broad statement. Please let me refine. The amount of time it takes to get in the top 3 depends on the competitiveness of the keyword. By competitiveness I mean the Google Keyword Tool competitiveness rating in combination with an 'allinurl:keyword' search and an 'allintitle:keyword' search. Plus, I look at the number of backlinks that each of the top 5 have, what type of backlinks they are (edu, gov, etc.) and the Google PageRank of each of the top 5 organic listings on page one.

That's how I determine the competitiveness of a keyword.

One of my recent keywords for example was "Machu Picchu Expeditions" and if you look it up using a Google search in the U.S. browsing with Mozilla Firefox I'm currently showing position #4 (just a few days ago it was #3 and I have a screenshot of it) but if you browse with Internet Explorer on Google it comes up #3 from where I'm at. You are looking for this URL:

{URL removed}

I optimized the meta tags and landing URL to help the process. I could push it up further to #1 or #2 if I kept on working on it but my client is happy with the top 5 so I have stopped working on the keyword "machu picchu expeditions" for now until the keyword starts to drop again and then I will perform some more maintenance on it.

This particular keyword took me 3 weeks to get to the top 5 and then another week to get to the top 3. So 4 weeks total. This keyword is categorized as a "high" competitive keyword according to Google using their keyword tool.

I got this particular keyword ranked in the top 3 about the first week of August of this year and it is now 12/26 so that means it stayed in the top 3 for about 4 months and 3 weeks and it is still in the top 5.

Plus, I also got a video ranked in the top 5 for that same keyword. Just look for the BambaExperience video.

So, in answer to your questions:

How long does it take you to get in the top 3 and how long can you stay on top?

My Answer:

It depends.

These things I can do but I have never studied Affiliate Marketing. I'm a complete newb to affiliate marketing and from what I've heard you can make a lot of money if you can generate the traffic/conversions/clicks.

Yes, I could do all the research myself into which niche to enter, which affiliate programs to sign up for, etc., etc. but I would rather concentrate on what I specialize in and have someone else who specializes in the affiliate marketing areas.

 

[ThrivingDad]

That is an amazing skill. I've pmed you about a side gig.

 

[julescate]

Why still asking for more; that’s a huge ability. Many on such kind of business are struggling to be on your position. Can you lend some helpful tips? haha

 

[SEOproAffiliatenewb]

Julescate,

Yes, but SEO is only half the equation to get a sale. The page has to convert well, etc.

I do understand the commission only method. And I am willing to work on a commission only method if we can overcome some potential issues. I?m an honest, experienced, professional just wanting to make some great money with an experienced professional affiliate marketer.


Some of the issues with commission only is:

How do I prove that any additional sales came from my SEO work, I would need to have a specific email address or phone number that would take all orders. It?s a good idea in principle but difficult to track and monitor.

Secondly SEO?s like me are likely to get a lot of interest from struggling business, who may not have the facilities in place to handle orders that begin to come in. Existing businesses, that are doing good already, are normally reluctant to pay someone a % of all sales, as it would be cheaper to pay for the work without revenue share.

If the seo professional was to do a fantastic job in driving traffic, if the web designers did a poor job or the product/service being sold was over-priced/ of a low quality, then regardless of the traffic being driven to the site, no sales may be made thus no commission! So from an seo point of view it would be quite a risky and potentially unprofitable venture.

It's not just about driving traffic. Traffic without conversion doesn't hold any value and conversion depends on activities other than SEO.

Another problem with pay for results seo is the ability to track results accurately.

Another thing to think about when discussing a commission only position is commission on what? Hits/clicks, sessions, visitors, unique visitors, or referrals from anywhere. (who determines this and how?)

SEO in reality is only 1/2 of the way to sales conversion.

Search engine optimization/awareness means getting near the top or at the top.

Interest - a click through to the site based on an attractive listing.

Ultimately an SEO consultant?s responsibility ends here.

Motivating a visitor to consider buying and creating that desire to buy, relies completely on site content and the owners knowledge of his market's needs -- and I assume the company has created this and know exactly what his internet markets want?

Inducing an increase in eyes to the site should create more sales consistent with any other marketing media, but if you create say:

1 million new "targeted" visitors to the site a month and no buys -- where does the problem lie, with your SEO abilities or...?

I read an article about a guy that just finished a contract with a company doing SEO work for a chain of retail stores. His job was just to layout the design changes they needed for their application and their staff was supposed to implement any needed HTML, UNIX and Java changes. A few months after he finished his part of the work, upper management at the company outsourced most of the work in the department and laid off the main marketing person who had been his contact point there.

He was paid a flat fee upfront so it doesn't matter that much to him. However, that experience did provide a lot of food for thought. If he had been paid on a percentage of the results from the design proposals instead of a flat fee upfront, there wouldn't even have been a department in place any more to work with or pay him. The whole company could go bankrupt or scrap the application they had him work on, and then he may not have been paid anything at all for his SEO work. So this is why I?m asking so many questions. Because I am thinking about doing work with the promise of future payments. If I were getting a flat fee I would not be asking anything.

Another thing to consider is how long do I get commission for? One, two, three years?

There are dozens of other potential situations like that which could come up. See what I mean?

In summary, I?m still willing to work on a commission only basis but I would need to figure out a way to deal with the above issues.

 

[Peoney]

Hello SEO expert - that is an amazing skill, you know why? because everytime I start my SEO and use Google keyword tool I start yawning. Why do you need an affiliate marketer if you are an SEO expert. If you are SEO expert then traffic to your website or Blog will be much easier and if you can rank every website you have then you can make a lot of sales.

For example you have a travel blog and you are able to rank it high then any affiliate link that you put in your Post will then have the change to be click and the more traffic the more sales. If you are using Google adwords, the more clicks the more money. It is said that every 100 visitor = 1 sale.

So if you are an SEO expert then find a good niche that you like, write articles or outsource it, then join a few affiliate network like commission junction and clickbank, then start your SEO and blog publishing. You don't need an affiliate marketing expert if you are SEO expert i believe. But an affiliate marketer needs an SEO expert.

 

[SEOproAffiliatenewb]

Worth of an organic click

Peoney,

Thanks for the input but I don't want to do the affiliate marketing work. I do want to do the SEO work.

Research suggests that we can project the number of sales someone will theoretically make by looking at the Search Volume of a keyword. Basically the research says that we would calculate the worth of an organic click.

I didn't perform the research but I'm assuming this is all very approximate and depends on a multitude of other variables. But this is one standard way to figure it. It goes like this:

Let?s conservatively assume that you will be in position 5 of page one (although I always target position #1, #2, or #3. Position 5 on page one gets 5% of all clicks according to Google (unless my research is out of date).

Let's take the keyword ?xxxxxxxxxxxx? for example that has 33,100 monthly searches, on average, on a national basis when doing an exact search.

If you take that 33,100 (search volume) minus 20% (PPC takes this amount of clicks off the top supposedly)= 26,480 (number of searches after PPC) times 5% (because you are in position 5 on page one) = 1,324 clicks per month that your page should get based upon your position. If you?re conversion rate is, let?s say, 2% (two percent, which it should be if you have landing pages optimized correctly) then you would have 26.48 sales (round down to 26) multiplied by, let?s say, $50 per sale (39.95 ? 69.95), on average, equals $1,300 per month (minus clickbank fees or other).

This is all assuming a #5 position on page one. Position #4 gets approx. 7% ($1,853 per month), position #3 gets approx. 9% ($2,383 per month), position #2 gets approx. 13% ($3,442 per month) and position #1 gets about 28% ($7,414 per month).

And this is only Google. It does not include Yahoo, Bing, etc. And it?s only the U.S. There will inevitably be some customers from several other countries as well because you will be showing up on page one in many different countries. Now you can really see the importance of having good converting web pages. You can also see why good internet marketers get paid so well. It?s because of the potential amount of conversions they can bring in.

 

[jcorkern]

"Thanks for the input but I don't want to do the affiliate marketing work. I do want to do the SEO work. "

So, you just want free checks?

If you spent as much time working and split testing your copy, layout and design as you do telling everyone in the forum that you can't do it, then you would not be here with a woe is me attitude, you would be out enjoying your earnings.

These days, you can not separate SEO from internet marketing. If you want to beat the man, you have to be the man.

Next, your numbers look good in theory, but with the big "G" doing local, your numbers are way off. Let me give you an example.

If you live in Phoenix Az and you do a search for hotdogs, you are probably going to get different results than someone in Miami doing the same search. Google ranks sites in such a complex way now that most "seo specialist" are not SEO specialist at all.

Even top tier phrases like "weight loss" can give different results because google does a pretty good job of offering local results based on location to the searcher.

If you want to do SEO , then learn IM. There is no other option in reality.

As long as you let others have control of your destiny, then you will only get what they allow you to make. Joint ventures are for the well established for the most part, because with only SEO under your belt, you really don't have much to offer since it can be overcome with PPC instantly.

Also, can you get two word phrases, can you compete against 300 million competing pages? What about 40 million competing pages, or even 10 million competing pages? from the keyword you gave, you are only looking at 2.7 million competing and you are at no 3 or 4?

I am not stating that you are a lesser SEO, I am just stating facts, you are obviously pretty young or lack experience as an SEO. Take the time now to learn the whole game or you are just one algo update away from disaster in anything you take on as of right now. Dig deeper into SEO, learn to write copy, learn headlines, learn the science of words, and do it now before you build something out and lose it all and have to start all over again.

You have a great start, you obviously "get it" with what you have now, so expand on that, become a total expert.

Next, only ( and I mean only ) do projects that you have a high degree of interest in, and there is a reason.

"Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe."

Abraham Lincoln

"The will to win means nothing...the will to prepare to win means everything"
Quote from My Grandfather

Take the time to read about Jerry Rice, Abe Lincoln, Michale Jordan and other very successful people and you will see that preparation is what will make the difference.

You are looking for an easy out, and it does not exist. Study, prepare, test and make your dreams a reality.



You are responsible for your own destiny, now go make it happen!

 

[Ideasuniversity]

You are already on your way to six figure earning with your talent. You just need to focus on building your own sites in different niches and take them to top page of Google then watch the money rolling in

 

[djbaxter]

One of my recent keywords for example was "Machu Picchu Expeditions" and if you look it up using a Google search in the U.S. browsing with Mozilla Firefox I'm currently showing position #4 (just a few days ago it was #3 and I have a screenshot of it) but if you browse with Internet Explorer on Google it comes up #3 from where I'm at. You are looking for this URL:

{URL removed}

I optimized the meta tags and landing URL to help the process. I could push it up further to #1 or #2 if I kept on working on it but my client is happy with the top 5 so I have stopped working on the keyword "machu picchu expeditions" for now until the keyword starts to drop again and then I will perform some more maintenance on it.

This particular keyword took me 3 weeks to get to the top 5 and then another week to get to the top 3. So 4 weeks total. This keyword is categorized as a "high" competitive keyword according to Google using their keyword tool.

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22machu+picchu+expeditions%22&ie=UTF-8

About 156,000 results

I wouldn't call that a "highly competitive keyword". Just saying...

Plus, I also got a video ranked in the top 5 for that same keyword. Just look for the BambaExperience video.

https://www.google.com/search?q=BambaExperience&ie=UTF-8

About 22,100 results

And that's even less competitive...

 

[FourthWorld]

Minstrel's post is spot-on. It's easy to show up in searches which use only words that comprise a domain name, but is that really reflective of how prospects will be searching?

For example, "expeditions" is a good word to have for branding purposes, since it connotes a sense of adventure. But it's also not a commonly-used word. I would imagine far more people might use "travel" or "trip" when searching, which will produce very different results.

 

[Adam H]

Sales man who likes to talk ? Quite possibly.................... Full time SEO ? I highly doubt.

Bad attempt at a link bait..........quite possibly.