Adult Banners Journey

[TrafficYoda]

Hey there @TrafficYoda

Your journey is pretty exciting, and the buzz here in this feed is awesome to see. When I spoke with @NeverGiveUp, we talked a lot about setting some different goals to help determine how and when to start scaling the media buys for his campaigns. The toughest part about this is first finding consistent profitability. Even profiting a dollar each day is a victory that you can celebrate, and everything up until then is a constant struggle of testing vs adjusting.

Some questions to ask yourself along the way:
- Offers

Does my offer pay enough to cover my conversion expenses?
Does my offer have enough cap available to scale up when my success comes through?
What are my options for backup offers?​

- Landing Pages

Do my landing pages sell the offer properly?
What else can I do on my landing page to potentially earn a return on this visitor?​

- Traffic

Does where I'm buying my traffic make sense for my offer? (ex: page placement, banner content vs page content, which devices or browsers are clicking on my banners, etc)
Who are the top three traffic sources for this campaign, and how does their performance compare?​

These are just some of the questions to be asking, and this is where @NeverGiveUp is mentioning the idea of checkpoints. It's so important to set some various limitations on your tests when you're finding what works and doesn't work. YES, you have to spend money in order to make money here, but spending too much money on a campaign that isn't selling is no longer good business practice, it's just gambling and hoping for a positive result to come about.

I've seen plenty of very successful affiliates mention various opinions on budgets for testing campaigns. It's important to set and abide by your own definition of a good testing budget while you are figuring out your success here. I'll be following along to see your success come about!

Cheers,

Ahhhh, I see....
Yes @Graybeard was talking about that too. That I need to find a higher payout.
I will take a good look into the data, see what needs to be done.

I can answer yes to all except on the terms of CV and Offer Payout.
I see what i need to do

 

[Graybeard]

PPL that's what i mean.

According to your math, how high should my payout be?

The $3 range is the best I have seen with cams $5 with dating. Tier 1 countries. I have never bothered with it for reason of the low pay-out.

((120000*.0025)/5*3)/120
120K banners at a 0.0025% CTR; assuming 1:5 (20%) will convert @$3 pay-out; will make you $100
**in an even more perfect world

How much are you going to pay per CPM?
What is the CTR going to be?
What is the CR going to be?
Market affinity and customer acquisition value (CLV - customer lifetime value) matter a lot.
Lastly, the quality of the media and the network matter.

Have you found someone (ad network) with PPC/CPC on banners?
((120000*.0025)*.02)*3
18.000000
(120000*.0025)*.06
18.000000

You will break even at US $0.06 CPC @ $3 PPL
That's a 2% CR
That is what we averaged with adult cams on free registrations -- worst case scenario?
50K to 80K popunders per day

 

[azgold]

So on Sundays people don't see porn? lol

They're in church.

ripping banners and using it without change shows low sales + dies quick,

Oh, no I wouldn't do that. I've never done adult but I wouldn't do that, regardless of the vertical. I'd want to be eye-catching and original.

see if resizing them also helps

Sometimes, the smallest changes can make a difference. Only testing will tell, as you know.

@azgold do you know any people who are doing banners/adult niche that you can summon?

Sorry, I'm behind in reading my alerts, didn't see this until now. Off the top of my head, I can't think of who is running adult offers with banners, though I know we've had some.

I'll keep thinking on it, maybe poke around, see if I can think of a good one to do a shout out to but you realize that the master adult marketer is already in this thread, right? @Graybeard, of course. Although, I'm almost positive he doesn't run banners, he knows adult and all things associated better than anyone I know.

 

[azgold]

We have another member running an adult campaign - mobile banners. @GreekLover seems to be doing well with it. Thought it may be of interest to you.

 

[TrafficYoda]

We have another member running an adult campaign - mobile banners. @GreekLover seems to be doing well with it. Thought it may be of interest to you.

i'm taking a look right now!

 

[Shreeram Thapaliya]

Hi! after long chase doing popups and finally getting my first payout i need a break and did instagram for a while, making consistent money from instagram.

I want to go on to banners again.

What I need
-Adplexity Adult (can't afford yet)
-Advertisement (most of my cash are going in here)
-Good Banners (manually hunting but no banners seems to be good)
-Good Offers (Got some networks to split test)

Traffic Source//Network
-Secret
SOI Dating Offers/Cams

I chose a niche and tested 35 banners
Out 35 there was 2 banners that converted 4 times.
Whitelisted it but it seems like the banners are well beaten I see a drop of ctr fast. thus drop in conversions.

Gotta hunt for more banners, not easy to get some good ones manually
Got a vps on the country i want

Data in 7 Days

amazing things you have done

 

[Graybeard]

Take your old values and add (a theoretical) one dollar (more) to the conversion payout. Would that make you in the Green? Be at a profit?

 

[affmarketer101]

What network that you are using? (Sorry, I am new to adult offer)

 

[TrafficYoda]

What network that you are using? (Sorry, I am new to adult offer)

OFFER NETWORK? OR TRAFFIC?

 

[sam patra]

both ??
network?
source??

I will also start a follow along on adult soon

 

[Graybeard]

Good point; pounding the same traffic with the same offer will yield diminishing returns over time.

Have you ever considered that the sites that you are blacklisting are playing traffic arbitrage and may be a source of a high ratio of new users?

This is why you need advertiser domains (ids) to work with. I can check domains as to the bounce rates -- the bounce rate is generally related to the amount of advertising and the number of new users.

Perhaps, what is thought of as *bad sites* for ads are really not so bad for reaching new traffic?

 

[Cedric - Adextrem]

Greay journey @TrafficYoda
What Geos are you working on?

 

[wes888]

Great journey!

How is the campaign? Any updates? Is it profitable?

 

[TrafficYoda]

Okay I'm back now!
I had bit of cash flow problem because Crak takes forever to send their checks I am still middle of waiting for my earnings to arrive. But I collected enough to start again!

THIS TIME IT'S DIFFERENT
I'm jumping into COD offers I know it's hard since the offer cost is high meaning higher testing but I think I got my own plan/rules setup.

I know all the well known how to optimize is for big-budget advertisers so I gotta find the right numbers and right spending budget before I call it bad or good.

This is something I'm gonna have to experiment.
But I'm very excited
Currently, waiting for my banner and campaigns to get accepted.

Affiliate links included
Offer Network: AdCombo
Banners: Secret of course - manually visited porn sites to rip some banners
Traffic Network: Secret for now.

 

[TrafficYoda]

Look for push notify that will accept hard core images -- are there any?
You could get images you can use with permission from any porn sponsor (for their goods [program])

hmm I don't use porn sponsored banners
my banners are from adplexity so there's where i get my banners

 

[TrafficYoda]

I found an advertising network that is OK with XXX banner, pop and push notice images ... CPC is high though -- $0.25 to $0.45 so they would have to convert ... Customer acquisition is worth $100 to $250 net to me over time but we are talking a 3 months to 30 month time span. So, free cash flow may be a problem. each repeat purchase is worth $12+-

cpc is bit too high, i would only go to that network when i have a winning campagin

 

[TrafficYoda]

UPDATE

Got 2 campaigns for blacklist approved!
Testing between cpc and cpm model

Waiting for traffic but jucyads traffic is bit low

 

[TrafficYoda]

UPDATE

I'm working on traffic
I don't get how there is little to no clicks
take a look

should I get rid of ones that is not getting clicks?

 

[TrafficYoda]

0.25% CTR is the median Desktop banner rate
0.50% CTR is the median Mobile banner rate

Right now testing mobile, as it is a new campaign there is so much to optimize, right now optimizing zones first as some zones are getting a lot of impressions with no clicks

thus the reasons for low ctr

since my traffic is bringing so low i'm opening it up on all device, and catagory

 

[TrafficYoda]

If you find any REAL adult (XXX) that mobile users really buy -- let me know
A mobile customer historically is worth 10% to 30% in sales dollar volume as compared to desktop users (from what I have seen).

sure i will do that.

 

[TrafficYoda]

UPDATE
the traffic network I'm using as many might have already know what.
bring very slow traffic for CPC campaigns.

Currently blacklisting all zones that have at least 1500+ impression with no clicks or 1 click as it seems to bring less traffic.
Got rid of banners also that has 1500+ impressions with no clicks.
Still gotta test which lp is the best waiting at least 100 clicks
I'm focusing on trying to bring as much traffic as possible as many clicks as possible. For cpc they only give more traffic if there is more clicks.
CTR is the priority right now for me

Campagin #1
#1 0 1,246 0.00% 0.00 0:0 paused
#2 8 4,233 0.19% 0.00 0:8
#3 3 2,367 0.13% 0.00 0:3
#4 0 1,206 0.00% 0.00 0:0 paused
#5 10 4,310 0.23% 0.00 0:10
#6 29 21,481 0.14% 0.00 0:29
#7 63 33,659 0.19% 0.00 0:63
#8 100 57,170 0.17% 0.00 0:100

Campaign #2 Needs More Data
Campaign #3 Needs More Data

 

[TrafficYoda]

#1,0,1246,0.00%
#2,8,4233,0.19%
#3,3,2367,0.13%
#4,0,1206,0.00%
#5,10,4310,0.23%
#6,29,21481,0.14%
#7,63,33659,0.19%
#8,100,57170,0.17% =====================
Totals: 213, "125,672", 0.1695%
125.7K views but how many times per IP?

1. Banners may only be good cpm for name recognition purposes -- building a brand that you own.
2. Your CPC banners are not converting (so far) 213 clicks have said NO to your offer
3. If you got a conversion now your CR would be less than 0.05%
4. What is your upper limit? 500 CPC more?

My traffic network doesn't allow frequency capping on cpc campaigns only cpm.
as it is COD offer with high payout I am understanding that CR would be low. So even if it's less than 0.05% i will be still green.
With banner and zones I'm focusing on getting high ctr because on cpc campaigns higher my ctr more traffic my network start sending me. The reason I want this is that with adcombo you got a lot of landing pages to test out before filtering out the bad ones.

 

[TrafficYoda]

You want MONEY for Porn
Or, are you calling dating *adult*?
People still pay for the right content that they want.
Well, I meant to cap what YOU spend (in advertising) on this whole project like: $200 $500 ?

$500 on all three campaigns combined
My offer is Adult for sure. And no it's not porn. Adult Products.
But yes I am a little unsure of exit plane and when to change country/offer on these offers.