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cashmonkey

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First month I run offers with a4d.com ,account reached $450 then I received email from the account manager robert said "stop traffic ,will figure out the account performance" then date has come 15th they didnt send my payment and already banned the account.I email them but they dont reply back.They run away without giving information.This is a scam ,if a4d owner not agree with me, they must send my payment.People must not work with a company who exploit publisher's hard work.Scam companies must be deleted from our community.
I invite a4d rep to this forum to investigate my issue ,I want to hear from a4d if they have shame on their face after not sending payment.
 
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You have just one post in this forum and it's slamming a reputable network. This network is represented in this forum here, so maybe before making your first post in our forum a negative comment against a reputable network, you should read through this forums experience with them. You should also attempt contact with them through the forum with a PM. I have read many reviews here and elsewhere that claim this network and it's people are very well respected and never take such action, as you claim, without proper cause. As you must know, any blackhat methods or fraudulent traffic is a quick way to get banned and it is almost always the number one reason people get banned.

Networks do not like banning people, they need their affiliates in order to make money. however, if affiliates send fraudulent traffic to their offers, they are responsible for this and risk losing their accounts. I am sure if you were to contact smaxor here in the forum, he will answer your questions. It's been my experience that networks stay on top of communications with affiliates that play by the rules and shun and cut off communication with anyone that sends fraudulent traffic.
 

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Are you the lawyer of a4d ? why do you write? i wait a rep from the company.That thread which you linked "smaxor" the thread opener his Last Activity 11-21-2013 , because this I didnt pm them.
It is not always publisher's fault.There are some scammer companies who steal peoples hard earned money.I ran same offers with different network , i get paid without problem with other reputable network.A4d cant say advertiser complaint.I emailed them but they didnt reply.This behave is only aim to steal publishers money.
 

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I will contact Jason, a4d have always had a great reputation and I highly doubt they are scamming here.

Jason is a very respectable guy.
 

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Are you the lawyer of a4d ? why do you write? i wait a rep from the company.That thread which you linked "smaxor" the thread opener his Last Activity 11-21-2013 , because this I didnt pm them.
It is not always publisher's fault.There are some scammer companies who steal peoples hard earned money.I ran same offers with different network , i get paid without problem with other reputable network.A4d cant say advertiser complaint.I emailed them but they didnt reply.This behave is only aim to steal publishers money.

I can vouch for a4d, it's one of the biggest and most reputable networks. They have thousands of affiliates, some makes your amount in an hour so I don't really think they try to scam you. Probably you are sending them bad leads which don't convert on the advertiser end.
 

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First month I run offers with a4d.com ,account reached $450 then I received email from the account manager robert said "stop traffic ,will figure out the account performance" then date has come 15th they didnt send my payment and already banned the account.I email them but they dont reply back.They run away without giving information.This is a scam ,if a4d owner not agree with me, they must send my payment.People must not work with a company who exploit publisher's hard work.Scam companies must be deleted from our community.
I invite a4d rep to this forum to investigate my issue ,I want to hear from a4d if they have shame on their face after not sending payment.

Please hit me up on skype. Let me see if I can get to the bottom of what's going on. My skype is smaxoro.

Thanks,
Jason
A4D, Founder & CEO
 

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[4/18/14, 9:28:00 AM] uvij.com: Merhaba Jason Akatiff, seni bir kişi olarak eklemek istiyorum.. Marlon Smile
[4/18/14, 12:53:21 PM] Jason Akatiff: Jason Akatiff has shared contact details with Marlon Smile.
[4/22/14, 1:30:34 PM] Marlon Smile: hi
[4/22/14, 1:30:57 PM] Marlon Smile: my account was banned
[4/22/14, 1:31:13 PM] Marlon Smile: [email redacted]
[4/22/14, 1:31:23 PM] Marlon Smile: this is username
[4/22/14, 1:31:59 PM] Marlon Smile: i havent received my payment
[4/22/14, 1:39:05 PM] Marlon Smile: you said lets chat on skype in affilliatefix forum
[4/22/14, 1:39:13 PM] Marlon Smile: why dont you write
[4/22/14, 1:39:25 PM] Marlon Smile: why dont you answer
[4/22/14, 2:14:44 PM] Jason Akatiff: yes sure
[4/22/14, 2:14:54 PM] Jason Akatiff: tell me about what you ran and how the traffic was generated please
[4/22/14, 2:16:39 PM] Marlon Smile: i ran hosdegellermeg
[4/22/14, 2:16:58 PM] Marlon Smile: i buy traffic to my website [name redacted] from bing and 7search
[4/22/14, 2:18:01 PM] Jason Akatiff: great can you send me some screen shots of bing and 7search with the campaigns in them please
[4/22/14, 2:18:04 PM] Jason Akatiff: just email me
[4/22/14, 2:18:07 PM] Jason Akatiff: my email address was here
[4/22/14, 2:18:53 PM] Marlon Smile: i didnt take photo while i was running offers
[4/22/14, 2:19:11 PM] Jason Akatiff: that's fine please login, select the dates you ran in bing and 7search and then screen shot the report
[4/22/14, 2:19:20 PM] Jason Akatiff: should take 2 minutes
[4/22/14, 2:19:39 PM] Jason Akatiff: if you have dropbox you can do cmd+shift+4
[4/22/14, 2:19:47 PM] Jason Akatiff: or ctrl+shift+4 on a PC
[4/22/14, 2:20:01 PM] Jason Akatiff: then ctrl-v me the url here
[4/22/14, 2:20:04 PM] Jason Akatiff: I'll take a look
[4/22/14, 2:21:19 PM] Marlon Smile: i run many offers on different networks not only yours
[4/22/14, 2:21:24 PM] Jason Akatiff: that's fine
[4/22/14, 2:21:52 PM] Jason Akatiff: doesn't matter to me who else you run to honestly. All I care about is what was run to us
[4/22/14, 2:25:44 PM] Marlon Smile: without screenshot you have to pay this revenue to me.I dont share screenshots to third parties , my traffic sources are legit and i dont have to prove them . if you look my leads these has converted very good for the advertiser
[4/22/14, 2:26:06 PM] Jason Akatiff: well if it's legit then send me a screenshot
[4/22/14, 2:26:17 PM] Jason Akatiff: the merchant said your traffic was fraud based on lead data you were stuffing
[4/22/14, 2:26:28 PM] Jason Akatiff: I need to show them it's legit based on your screen shots
[4/22/14, 2:26:32 PM] Jason Akatiff: this is standard practice
[4/22/14, 2:27:15 PM] Jason Akatiff: you're saying it's legit and they're showing me proof of fraud, how me proof you bought traffic for it since that's what you said you did. And I'll go fight with the merchant for you.
[4/22/14, 2:27:30 PM] Jason Akatiff: But by saying you're not going to provide proof of any sort it makes you look even more like fraud
[4/22/14, 2:28:41 PM] Jason Akatiff: I even pay people when a merchant doesn't pay. But not if they show me proof of fraud. Then I have to see that you're legit and the only way I can do that is with some proof and verification of some sort
[4/22/14, 2:28:48 PM] Marlon Smile: advertiser doesnt talk for small amount of dollars they give millions dollars ads, your tos doesnt state traffic source screenshot. you make problem you say advertiser talks but they never talks if they talked please screenshot me their explanation which targets me
[4/22/14, 2:29:18 PM] Jason Akatiff: I sit in the middle and arbitrate between the 2 sides
[4/22/14, 2:29:27 PM] Jason Akatiff: they have submitted proof. I need to see your proof
[4/22/14, 2:29:34 PM] Jason Akatiff: at that point I'll make a judgement call
[4/22/14, 2:29:41 PM] Jason Akatiff: same as if you want to court and had 0 evidence
 

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[4/22/14, 2:29:54 PM] Jason Akatiff: and the other side had evidence the judge would rule in the person with evidences favor
[4/22/14, 2:30:09 PM] Jason Akatiff: please help you case so I can work on getting you paid.
[4/22/14, 2:31:44 PM] Marlon Smile: there is no complant from the advertiser , you only want to eat my dollars, if advertiser has proof and screenshot of complaint you need to show it to me
[4/22/14, 2:32:01 PM] Marlon Smile: did i get complaint from bing or 7 search?
[4/22/14, 2:32:02 PM] Jason Akatiff: you claim I'm lying?
[4/22/14, 2:32:12 PM] Marlon Smile: yes you are lying
[4/22/14, 2:32:23 PM] Jason Akatiff: I did not I didn't know you were buying traffic from 7search and bing until you told me
[4/22/14, 2:32:47 PM] Marlon Smile: robert knows and he told you
[4/22/14, 2:33:19 PM] Jason Akatiff: this conversation is done then I'm going to post it up on cpafix. I can't do business with someone that thinks I'm lying. I don't lie, we have an impeccable reputation in the space for 6+ years.
[4/22/14, 2:33:40 PM] Jason Akatiff: Robert didn't say anything other then someone is posting crap on my forum about you. You might want to go deal with it.
[4/22/14, 2:33:51 PM] Jason Akatiff: please send proof
[4/22/14, 2:33:56 PM] Jason Akatiff: of what you said you did
[4/22/14, 2:34:01 PM] Jason Akatiff: or I have to assume you have none
[4/22/14, 2:34:27 PM] Jason Akatiff: it's your word against the merchants
[4/22/14, 2:34:32 PM] Jason Akatiff: I don't take sides
[4/22/14, 2:34:40 PM] Jason Akatiff: I'm an impartial judge in the middle
[4/22/14, 2:35:04 PM] Jason Akatiff: If' you'd like to provide proof I will send you the proof they sent me
[4/22/14, 2:35:05 PM] Marlon Smile: if you have rep then you have to pay it. When you dont give me dollars you will get from the advertiser , please show me proof that advertiser didnt pay you for my leads?
[4/22/14, 2:35:13 PM] Jason Akatiff: I don't have to pay for fraud
[4/22/14, 2:35:19 PM] Jason Akatiff: and I will NEVER pay for fraud
[4/22/14, 2:35:40 PM] Jason Akatiff: like I said send me your proof and I will pass it to th either side and dispute with the merchant
[4/22/14, 2:35:44 PM] Jason Akatiff: I'll also pass their proof to you
[4/22/14, 2:36:04 PM] Jason Akatiff: but as it stand you look like a fraudster because you're hiding shit or don't have it
[4/22/14, 2:36:13 PM] Jason Akatiff: and we don't pay fraudsters
[4/22/14, 2:36:20 PM] Jason Akatiff: merchant says fraud
[4/22/14, 2:36:29 PM] Jason Akatiff: you say something was done but won't provide proof
[4/22/14, 2:36:57 PM] Jason Akatiff: could have had 10 screenshots of the campaign by now and been done
[4/22/14, 2:37:46 PM] Marlon Smile: you are fraudster , in order to steal my money you say wanting screenshot altough your tos doesnt state require screenshot
[4/22/14, 2:37:57 PM] Marlon Smile: send screenshot which i request
[4/22/14, 2:38:13 PM] Jason Akatiff: it says we do not pay on fraudulent leads
[4/22/14, 2:38:29 PM] Jason Akatiff: so I'm giving you a chance to defend yourself. My TOS says I don't have to.
[4/22/14, 2:38:59 PM] Jason Akatiff: this conversation is done unless you want to make some sort fact/proof based case
[4/22/14, 2:39:14 PM] Marlon Smile: how can you say it is fraud leads ,fraud but you keep money which advertiser pays you
[4/22/14, 2:39:33 PM] Jason Akatiff: the advertiser did not pay me, they said the leads were fraud and scrubbed them
[4/22/14, 2:39:40 PM] Jason Akatiff: what's so hard for you to understand about that?
[4/22/14, 2:39:51 PM] Jason Akatiff: this conversation cost me more in time then I owe you
[4/22/14, 2:40:06 PM] Jason Akatiff: silly
[4/22/14, 2:40:15 PM] Marlon Smile: i will understand once you send screenshot that they dont pay you .
[4/22/14, 2:40:26 PM] Marlon Smile: so pay it
[4/22/14, 2:40:33 PM] Marlon Smile: you are silly
[4/22/14, 2:41:00 PM] Jason Akatiff: I won't pay fraud
[4/22/14, 2:41:18 PM] Jason Akatiff: are you going to present proof or not?
[4/22/14, 2:41:29 PM] Jason Akatiff: if not this conversation is done
[4/22/14, 2:42:43 PM] Marlon Smile: i will not show my adcenter account dashboard with fraudster companies , scammer companies like you will get close in the end , you wont survive unless you pay affiliates
[4/22/14, 2:42:58 PM] Jason Akatiff: I didn't ask you to show the dashboard
[4/22/14, 2:43:05 PM] Jason Akatiff: just the campaign to generate traffic for our offer
[4/22/14, 2:43:24 PM] Jason Akatiff: again I could care less about the other campaigns your running and that data or information
[4/22/14, 2:44:55 PM] Marlon Smile: inorder to not paying ,stealing peoples hard earned money you trouble , if i hadnt bought from bing,7search , leads are again valid , it does convert very well
[4/22/14, 2:45:07 PM] Marlon Smile: you make trouble
[4/22/14, 2:45:20 PM] Jason Akatiff: it was a yes or no question
[4/22/14, 2:46:43 PM] Marlon Smile: business build on trust not only a screenshot , if you are a cpa company you must pay this money without requesting screenshot , its obvious leads are not fraud.
[4/22/14, 2:47:45 PM] Jason Akatiff: again this conversation is over
[4/22/14, 2:47:53 PM] Jason Akatiff: tehre is nothing I "Must" do
[4/22/14, 2:47:54 PM] Marlon Smile: people want to work with cpa companies who doesnt ask proof , if advertiser say ok so it is ok
[4/22/14, 2:48:07 PM] Jason Akatiff: if the advertiser said the leads were fraud
[4/22/14, 2:48:09 PM] Jason Akatiff: and showed me proof
[4/22/14, 2:48:14 PM] Jason Akatiff: and didn't pay his bill for your traffic
[4/22/14, 2:48:23 PM] Jason Akatiff: then I must NOT pay you
[4/22/14, 2:48:36 PM] Jason Akatiff: unless you make a reason for me to prove back to them that their claims are false
[4/22/14, 2:48:36 PM] Marlon Smile: correct bu they paid you
[4/22/14, 2:48:47 PM] Jason Akatiff: and you have proof of this how?
[4/22/14, 2:49:24 PM] Marlon Smile: always you want proof from me , you need to show proof
[4/22/14, 2:49:58 PM] Jason Akatiff: I sit in the middle
[4/22/14, 2:50:00 PM] Jason Akatiff: like a judge
[4/22/14, 2:50:46 PM] Marlon Smile: if you are judge a court forexample i need to ask questions to other side advertiser
[4/22/14, 2:50:56 PM] Marlon Smile: i want to hear from advertiser
[4/22/14, 2:51:06 PM] Marlon Smile: they can email me
[4/22/14, 2:51:14 PM] Jason Akatiff: well no I need each sides case
[4/22/14, 2:51:17 PM] Jason Akatiff: and evidence
[4/22/14, 2:51:30 PM] Jason Akatiff: then will present that evidence to the other parties
[4/22/14, 2:51:34 PM] Jason Akatiff: advertiser has done this
[4/22/14, 2:51:40 PM] Jason Akatiff: waiting on you
[4/22/14, 2:51:45 PM] Jason Akatiff: then I'll present
[4/22/14, 2:51:47 PM] Jason Akatiff: as I said
[4/22/14, 2:51:57 PM] Jason Akatiff: then I'll let both sides make their case
[4/22/14, 2:52:02 PM] Jason Akatiff: then I'll make a decision
[4/22/14, 2:52:12 PM] Marlon Smile: if advertiser done this i must see what they have done tell me their email
[4/22/14, 2:52:22 PM] Jason Akatiff: if I think you're not fraud and the advertiser is claiming i'll pay you out of my pocket
[4/22/14, 2:52:33 PM] Jason Akatiff: and work on forcing the advertiser to pay us for what we paid out
[4/22/14, 2:52:53 PM] Jason Akatiff: it's a very simple arbitration process
[4/22/14, 2:54:02 PM] Marlon Smile: but it is a lie , there is no complaint , i can ask hosdegellermeg they have email on their site ,do you want?
[4/22/14, 2:54:16 PM] Jason Akatiff: can do whatever you want
[4/22/14, 2:55:27 PM] Marlon Smile: that is clear that we are affiliates wont use the scammer cpa companies like a4d in future.
[4/22/14, 2:55:44 PM] Jason Akatiff: sure we don't want fraudsters
[4/22/14, 2:55:54 PM] Marlon Smile: doesnt pay for leads means doesnt new leads come
[4/22/14, 2:55:55 PM] Jason Akatiff: I'm going to post this up to keep all the other fraudsters away
 

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Really the time Jason took to chat with you in detail shows the level of sincerity that this network has towards its affiliates. Asking a proof of Traffic for the offer in question seems very fair to me.
 

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Showing a proof of traffic should not be a problem if you really want to get your hard earned money, I am afraid after reading the chat I am convinced that you use fraud traffic method.
 
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Are you the lawyer of a4d ? why do you write? i wait a rep from the company.That thread which you linked "smaxor" the thread opener his Last Activity 11-21-2013 , because this I didnt pm them.
It is not always publisher's fault.There are some scammer companies who steal peoples hard earned money.I ran same offers with different network , i get paid without problem with other reputable network.A4d cant say advertiser complaint.I emailed them but they didnt reply.This behave is only aim to steal publishers money.

No, I haven't ever been an attorney. I'm just sharp enough to smell "bull" coming around the corner from 6 blocks away.
 

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ITT Jason shows what a true business-gentle-man looks like. Fraudster be gone & Batman approves of this message.



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If I'm out of line, I apologize, but I couldn't resist. From a new campaign I am launching tomorrow. Jason made every effort and got resistance from someone he was trying help. This is sad.
People like this can use this Tee!
Get this while you can cash monkey...
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as I said on chat ,there have never been a complaint from advertiser.Advertiser paid them.If not I am waiting screenshot from the advertiser email or a screenshot of not paying.Once scammer company show screenshot ,i will show screenshot of my traffic source.For other networks I always get paid with this advertiser.
Jason always lie.I am not the first person who was scammed by this fraudster network.A4d owner jason is trying to scam publisher.They did not pay me like others who have legit traffic.This fraud scheme will be end this scammer companies will not find new publishers.
 

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as I said on chat ,there have never been a complaint from advertiser.Advertiser paid them.If not I am waiting screenshot from the advertiser email or a screenshot of not paying.Once scammer company show screenshot ,i will show screenshot of my traffic source.For other networks I always get paid with this advertiser.
Jason always lie.I am not the first person who was scammed by this fraudster network.A4d owner jason is trying to scam publisher.They did not pay me like others who have legit traffic.This fraud scheme will be end this scammer companies will not find new publishers.

One question, if it was legit traffic - why not send the screenshot and get paid?
 

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@cashmonkey - don't be a kid and send the screenshot(if you have one). When you argue with someone you need proof not just talks. You are starting to offend reputable users of this forum like blvdjeremy.

Send the proof so we can close this discussion since it doesn't help anyone. If with this thread you are trying to "notify" others about A4D scamming you are not doing a really good job since without proofs nobody will believe you.

People here are not taking anyone sides, it's just that Jason is known and trusted for 7 years in the industry...and you are not, simple. You have only 4 posts, you registered this month and you also don't want to show any proof.....whom would you want to believe?

So grow up, deal this argument like an adult(which I hope you) and bring something to support your claims.
 
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