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Discussion in 'Follow Alongs and Online Journeys' started by mmosharov, Apr 17, 2019.

  1. mmosharov

    mmosharov Affiliate affiliate

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    Hi everyone!

    So I decided to go a bit more public and start my online journey =) I hope it'll help me to stay more focused and organized. Also it will be great to get some feedback from AM ninjas =)

    i've been in AM for about 8 months, so I have no technical troubles like setting up tracker, CDN or VPS, but still got not much success. Made couple of quite profitable campaigns, but rather "discovered" than "build".
    And I think there are 2 main reasons for it:
    1. I always tend to set small bid. But the reality is even slight decrease of bid can significant decrease traffic quality
    2. I stop tests too early =) I think it's common mistake for newbies
    So I am going to avoid this mistakes and try further

    My goal is $50 daily.

    I am going to work with PropellerAds (pop and push traffic) and Mobidea sweepstakes offers (by the way, I got awesome AM there =) ).

    I have already collect some data with one of offer on push (other tested offers did not convert), so i'll start with it.

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  3. Anthony.

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    I love journeys!! I'll be following you on this one, creating a journey keeps you focused, enables you to check back on any updates you made and in the end - look back and feel proud of where you are then and how you started!

    Good choice on using Propeller, fast approval times, good support and good quality traffic. That's a pretty decent start with push. One thing that is good about push is that you can judge winning/losing campaigns faster than other sources like Native.

    Wish you luck! Keep us updated :D
     
  4. mmosharov

    mmosharov Affiliate affiliate

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    @NeverGiveUp thank you! Sure I will keep updated =)

    Why? Does native have less volume?
     
  5. Anthony.

    Anthony. Moderator moderator Business & Content Director affiliate

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    Push has 0 bots, so it's all real visitors. Push can be profitable with lower payouts than Native (in my opinion) and because of having real visitors you can quickly see if offers convert or not. Also same goes for angles/landers - faster to see clearly if they work or not :) Also takes less budget to figure out if a campaign is worth pursuing or not.
     
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  6. mmosharov

    mmosharov Affiliate affiliate

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    Got it, thank you =)
     
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  7. Anthony.

    Anthony. Moderator moderator Business & Content Director affiliate

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    You're welcome, goodluck and never give up!
     
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  8. JakeJake

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    Interested to see what will start working for you faster, pops or push. Good luck :)
     
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  9. mmosharov

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    I think push will. I have more expierence with it and everyone says it converts better (for me the same).
    But I think to have an extra type of traffic is great, because:
    1. if offer works on one, you can then try to scale it on another
    2. if offer does not work on one, maybe it will on another
    So having 2 types of traffic is not too many to handle with, but it increases chances to succeed
     
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  10. awesomesauce

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    I wouldn't agree with this statement. It has smaller amounts of bots than other sources of traffic, but there are still bots. If there were 0 bots then there wouldn't be any spy tools, which by now there are a couple.
     
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  11. LandingTrack

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    Agree with @awesomesauce; it is impossible to fight 100% against bots and those are everywhere, and they will be always. Consider bots a type of business
     
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  12. Anthony.

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    Hmm yeah, I'm meaning bots where they blow your budgets like when running Native, publishers who deliberately spam click etc. Of course there are crawlers, but I was meaning otherwise - should of been more clear.
     
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  13. Graybeard

    Graybeard Well-Known Member affiliate

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    A little off topic: But has you been able to white list IP CIDRs 1.2.0.0/22 <CIDR range
    Code:
    Network:   1.2.0.0/22
    HostMin:   1.2.0.1
    HostMax:   1.2.3.254
    Broadcast: 1.2.3.255
    Hosts/Net: 1022
    
    Would you only get billed for clicks that matched those ranges? What would be the limit of lines allowed (entries)?
    I can deduce 'probable (80%+) legit IPs of users (ISP&Carrier networks) Eliminate most bots at the source IP
     
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  14. Khanh Nguyen

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    I didnt test a lot but if you had run with megapush, you will definitely receive quite a few bot clicks :)
     
  15. Anthony.

    Anthony. Moderator moderator Business & Content Director affiliate

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    Good point, heard a lot about those. Because he is using propeller, their quality is good so I didn't mention it :)
     
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  16. Mobidea

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    Happy to see you sharing your experience @mmosharov!

    I’m sure you’ll reach that goal. Good luck! :cool:
     
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  17. mmosharov

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    I have done not so much test, but in my expeirence megapush works not worse than propeller, so even if there are more bots, i don't think the difference is so big =)

    Thank you! =)
     
  18. mmosharov

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    Today I tested a bid influence on campaign and was surpeised a bit
    My initial bid was $0.06 (around recommended), I cloned campaign and set bid $0.03. I run on CPC model
    Here are stats. Note how new (lower) bid got 2x higher push CTR, lower CR and a bit higher ROI.
    I didn't expect that =)

    Propeller:
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    Tracker:
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    Why is that?
    I think I will run this test 1 more day to see what will happen
     
  19. mmosharov

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    Today I continued testing bids. And result were more different than yesterday

    Propeller:
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    Tracker:
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    As you see, first camp (with high bid) got 0 conversions, which is strange, but second (with low bid) had even positive ROI!
    But again, second camp got higher push CTR, and I was curious about it.
    I started to dig data and expanded stats to zones level. Aaaaand almost everything became clear =)

    With lower bid I got many different zones, which were not there with high bid. And vice versa.
    In particular, with lower bid one good zone became avaliable, and it has 2,75% CTR (while average is 0.25% as you see above), thats why camp with lower bid have 2x higher push CTR than camp with higher bid
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    But as we know AM is not about CTR, it's about profit. So, what's about profit?

    (Because I'm testing bid influence on ROI and conversions, and first camp got 0 conversions today, I compared camps for whole date range they run)

    In profit we see, that the most massive (by clicks) zone gives -45,1% ROI on first camp and 26.9% ROI on second. CR is similar, so here CPC difference played role, because it cuts spend.

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    Also in second camp there is that high-CTR zone performing well

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    And there is nothing interesting about other zones.

    I will run traffic on lower bid.

    Today conclusion: one needs to test lower bids not only to decrease unnecessary spend, but also maybe to find new well performing zones.

    Further plan: I ripped some new landers, so I'm gonna set them up and split test.
     
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  20. Anthony.

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    Looking like a great start already, keep it up! :)
     
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  21. Graybeard

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    How are you monitoring the INDIVIDUAL traffic?
    Is there some explanation you see?
    Is it possible that the traffic is segmented differently and some has less *blindness* towards this offer (offer saturation)?
    That is unexpected ...
     
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