Anti Affiliate Marketing

[MillionDollarAffMarketing]

So yes I am still reading so much material on the subject and still twiddling my thumbs. Kind of feels a boat that never reaches a port. After all this reading I still maybe know less than 1% on affiliate marketing.

What I know a lot more is how difficult affiliate marketing is and how the odds are stacked against those just starting out. I could talk about that for hours. Can I be a successful by promoting why you shouldn't get into affiliate marketing?

Don't waste your time and money because in the end what you make will end up being pennies per hour of time because others have been doing it for much longer and will always be 38 steps ahead of you no matter how much effort you put in.

Yes it's kind of a joke from frustration, but there is some honesty in there.

 

[Graybeard]

It's the old 80/20 rule -- 20% make real money and 2% make bank ...
The other 80% go back to a day-job or flippin' hamburgers at McDonalds <<< but now they cannot compete with the robot burger flipper.

 

[MillionDollarAffMarketing]

Wait....McD has a robot burger flipper? I want to see that!

 

[eMonetize]

One thing to consider is that there is a big world outside of promoting MMO and even products / services.

I heavily promote PPL (pay per lead...lead generation) offers. This is because there is no credit card / purchase required to complete an offer. All a user has to do is fill out a form, so conversion rates are typically much higher compared to offers that require a sale to be made.

I favor offers that have a make, get or save money benefit to them, as they have overall worked the best. They also tend to have the greatest mass appeal (will be of interest to a large general audience), so the potential exists to produce high volume and they are fairly easy to cross promote on the back-end.

Some of the verticals (niches) I have done extremely well with are: education, insurance, loans, debt, credit, mortgage, assistance, discount offers, homeowner offers, etc...

The bulk of the PPL offers that I promote pay $20-$40 per lead, but I also promote offers that pay more and less. You don't want to get too caught up on what an offer pays because how well it converts is just as important. For example, if you have an offer that pays $9, but if it converts at 2X or more of a $20 offer, then it will perform about the same or possibly better. At the same time, if you have an offer that pays $90 and it converts poorly, it may not even be worth promoting.

I have also done just as good with dating website sign-ups and pretty good with free trial + S/H offers. I also promote a very limited number of offers that are straight up purchase offers. However, mass appeal needs to exist and I also look for one of the following...

1) The product is new and/or novel-unique and you can't purchase it locally or even something similar. I don't waste my time with it once something similar shows up in Walmart.

2) The buyer can truly get what is being offered at a decent discount.

3) Solves a house is on fire type problem.

However, most of the above I will promote on the back-end. Which is why the first thing I look for is mass appeal.

Bottom line, it's far easier to get someone fill out a short form than to get them to pull out their credit card and make a purchase. So why struggle with trying to sell this or that, when you can provide free information that users want/need and get paid well doing it.

Something to think about. I've been doing the above for over 17 years and it still works / no plan to stop.

 

[Graybeard]

Look on youtube -- maybe it was Burger King. I know Carl's Jr was trying the robo-flipper out too.
80% of repetitive *dumb-work* will be automated in the next 5 to 10 years in the USA and even in low cost labor markets in Asia the machine will be less costly even when amortizing the initial cost.

So, who will have spendable income in the near future and how will it be spent -- the new paradigm is for real -- it's been evolving for 20 years.

Will Robots want Nutra-Oil and can they pay -- or is their *puppet master* the ultimate buyer -- RoboCharger only $45.00 /liter

 

[MillionDollarAffMarketing]

One thing to consider is that there is a big world outside of promoting MMO and even products / services.

I heavily promote PPL (pay per lead...lead generation) offers. This is because there is no credit card / purchase required to complete an offer. All a user has to do is fill out a form, so conversion rates are typically much higher compared to offers that require a sale to be made.

I favor offers that have a make, get or save money benefit to them, as they have overall worked the best. They also tend to have the greatest mass appeal (will be of interest to a large general audience), so the potential exists to produce high volume and they are fairly easy to cross promote on the back-end.

Some of the verticals (niches) I have done extremely well with are: education, insurance, loans, debt, credit, mortgage, assistance, discount offers, homeowner offers, etc...

The bulk of the PPL offers that I promote pay $20-$40 per lead, but I also promote offers that pay more and less. You don't want to get too caught up on what an offer pays because how well it converts is just as important. For example, if you have an offer that pays $9, but if it converts at 2X or more of a $20 offer, then it will perform about the same or possibly better. At the same time, if you have an offer that pays $90 and it converts poorly, it may not even be worth promoting.

I have also done just as good with dating website sign-ups and pretty good with free trial + S/H offers. I also promote a very limited number of offers that are straight up purchase offers. However, mass appeal needs to exist and I also look for one of the following...

1) The product is new and/or novel-unique and you can't purchase it locally or even something similar. I don't waste my time with it once something similar shows up in Walmart.

2) The buyer can truly get what is being offered at a decent discount.

3) Solves a house is on fire type problem.

However, most of the above I will promote on the back-end. Which is why the first thing I look for is mass appeal.

Bottom line, it's far easier to get someone fill out a short form than to get them to pull out their credit card and make a purchase. So why struggle with trying to sell this or that, when you can provide free information that users want/need and get paid well doing it.

Something to think about. I've been doing the above for over 17 years and it still works / no plan to stop.

Thanks for the reply. I just think it comes down to I don't know what I am doing. I bought a new domain last night in the weight loss niche, mainly because I get a free one though my hosting. I am now looking at the domain a few hours later asking myself what was the point of this. I guess the only thing I understand is build a site promoting something, hope for organic traffic through SEO, and your all good.

The reality is that everything I think and know about affiliate marketing is BS. I wasn't successful years ago when any idiot could make money so there is no reason to think I can be successful now.

• No one is successful waiting for organic traffic
• You don't even need a website anymore
• Seems to all be about collecting email addresses
• It's all about paid traffic from sources I don't understand

 

[MillionDollarAffMarketing]

I guess I am choosing the other.

Good luck all.

 

[affmarketer101]

Haha, it seems noone nowadays mentions affiliate as a way to make passive income.

 

[Graybeard]

Why would a billboard get SEO? That is what this boils down to.

If the content on your website is mainly affiliate oriented -- an advertising billboard for an EMD domain name -- that just will not work in 2018.

You may be right when you say

You don't even need a website anymore

But in the context that this will not succeed as the top of a traffic funnel. Unless, you can master paid ads. To a large percentage of today's Internet Facebook is the Internet.

You have also chosen to sell snake oil so you enter the pit of tens of thousands of likewise thinking snakes. So, you need to ride diet fads and play them out. Fad diets have a shelf life of a few months these days.

I made many hundreds of thousands dollars off SEO with Affiliate adult webcams over the last 10 years working very part-time <300 hrs a year -- the well is running dry because of these reasons;

1. Affiliate content is no SEO these days
2. EMD (keyword exact match domains) rarely work (if they do not for long).
   
3. Internet traffic patterns have changed
4. Mobile traffic is pennies while Desktop traffic was quarters (0.25)
   
5. Freemium content in cams has caused a spiral down in customer spending habits similar to how the porn tube gutted the porn pay-sites. There is little incentive to pay nowadays

People as a whole are spending more and more money on the Internet but that money is being concentrated in fewer hands.

The Internet was my equivalent to my Grandfather's New York City as an immigrant in 1910. He started with out with a sponsored (piece work [rev-share]) push cart in the streets selling underwear and socks -- he ended up owning part of a clothing factory.

I did well with adult webcam sites. But just like the streets of NYC in my Grandfather's day, and the Internet of my past; nothing lasts forever.

Adapt or die.
I prefer the challenge of adapting -- the alternative is a no-starter

 

[Graybeard]

Take care -- best of luck. Maybe we will meet on the other side :{