My first breakeven journey

[Graybeard]

If you think 90% of this traffic is questionable that $0.11 CPC in reality may be $1.00 CPC.
I usually get a visitor to the "money" page for $0.22 - $0.44 through my own pre-lander LP similar to what you are doing. The pay-out is usually $20 to $70 and it loses money with this type of traffic. Once long ago it broke even with cam porn. So I stopped.

Keep trying 110 clicks is too little to tell really 500 to 1000 would be a reasonable sample. So, you would have to eat $70 to prove your initial opinion right based on the first 100. But with the data you are getting --it's not very decent traffic or your landing page sucks Try fixing your landing page better and try another 100 clicks as a test of the landing page to see if there is an improvement. Then try 100 clicks of the Facebook Ads traffic and compare the same landing page to see if there is a traffic response improvement with the page metrics you have established.

Does your implementation of recaptcha 2.0 require and used input or it is totally hidden in the background (as it should be)? recaptcha needs to be in the background for this --a pass/fail filter only or a challenge only if the score is below average (suspicious)

 

[bikabon]

Does your implementation of recaptcha 2.0

I use v3, and it's hidden in the background and will be executed immediately after the page is ready.

Keep trying 110 clicks is too little to tell really 500 to 1000 would be a reasonable sample. So, you would have to eat $70 to prove your initial opinion right based on the first 100. But with the data you are getting --it's not very decent traffic or your landing page sucks Try fixing your landing page better and try another 100 clicks as a test of the landing page to see if there is an improvement. Then try 100 clicks of the Facebook Ads traffic and compare the same landing page to see if there is a traffic response improvement with the page metrics you have established.

That's exactly what I'm gonna do. It seems Facebook ads have a learning curve (nothing is hard for a programmer though LOL).

From the screenshot of some Youtubers running Facebook ads. It costs them $0.2 - $1 per click. It starts to make me think push is not worth my time . But I'll try and see if it's for real.

 

[Graybeard]

Consider native ads see if they (ad networks you use) have those available to you. Supposedly better quality.

 

[bikabon]

Consider native ads see if they (ad networks you use) have those available to you. Supposedly better quality.

Do you mean native ads other than those big brands (like outbrain, taboola, revcontent)?

EvaDav has it, but they don't have (almost don't have) mainstream traffic.

Can you recommend some?

 

[Graybeard]

I haven't used them yet Mondiad

I IM'd them to ask the % of that that is available as mainstream No answer yet.

$50 min deposit They have RTB native like evadav

 

[bikabon]

I IM'd them to ask the % of that that is available as mainstream No answer yet.

I asked Evadav and RichAds how many mainstream traffic they have. Both of them didn't answer my question directly.

I guess they just don't have it (or, veeeery little). If you look through the inventory of Exoclicks who claim to have both traffic, you'll find out most of them are adult.

My guess is ad platforms with adult traffic, especially those small ones, just don't focus on mainstream traffic at all.

For the data you shown here, you get the avg CTR 476 / 827719 * 100 = 0.05%, which equals to EvaDav. But in real life, the CTR of EvaDav is 1.10%. I won't trust those garbage traffic any more

But I can test mainstream-only traffic sources.

 

[Graybeard]

Release Notes - PPCmate

v6.1.3

www.ppcmate.com

I have been looking at these people --no first hand experience

Nutra is scammy and a problem with many publishers (website media placement).
Nutra is problematic with Facebook ads too (moderation for a new user).

 

[bikabon]

Nutra is problematic with Facebook ads too (moderation for a new user).

I just have one Facebook account and also use it for my online business (can't risk to lose it). I always heard people got banned by FB, but don't have an idea what they did exactly. I saw the offer owners promote the offer page directly on Facebook, does that mean I won't get banned if I promote it indirectly (through blog, pre-landing)?

 

[Graybeard]

I saw the offer owners promote the offer page directly on Facebook, does that mean I won't get banned if I promote it indirectly (through blog, pre-landing)?

When the chicken crossed the road how long did it take?
You'll have to see. They (Facebook's ad moderators) make the rules up as the go (it seems).

 

[bikabon]

Following is what I'm gonna do this week:

1. take 2 days off
2. integrate Google Tag Manager into my website (Google Analytics, Facebook Pixel, Google Ads Conversion Tracking). No matter I use Google Ads and Facebook Ads or not, I'll send Pagement Engagement events to them so that I might be able to use them in retargeting or build a lookalike audience.
3. I'm gonna refractor my data structure in my database to use some common names like utm_*.
4. rewrite my whole landing page

 

[bikabon]

Hi everybody,
After collecting info everywhere, and also opinions given by friends both online and offline, I decide:

1. Keep on developing my power tracker, and split the code into several parts, so that:
a. I can integrate it into two full-stack projects I already developed, and promote them instead of offers from others
b. Make it possible to be used by others, so that I can be a member of a big team (I'd like to be CTO, interesting? PM me)
2. I'm gonna make a YouTube video on how to use this tracker

There is a lot of work to do. I'll keep on updating this post.

 

[Graybeard]

So, instead of breaking-even you limited your losses --not being critical here

I world needs a better tracker --maybe.

A better solution is drop-shipping a product that you will not face so much resistance from quality ad placement media (like Facebook, et. al).

But what product and from where? That part is not easy.

However, offering a new tracker in a very competitive market will not be easy either.

One of the biggest problems with a tracker that would be used by non technical users (a GUI interface); is integrating the post-back s2s that every network uses, many different, and getting those network's cooperation to interface properly with your new tracker --that has no user base. Good luck with that.

 

[bikabon]

So, instead of breaking-even you limited your losses --not being critical here

Nope, I only spend $15 so far, and it will still be a break-even journey, but I'm gonna promote my personal offer.
I have been reading articles about email marketing these days, it seems my previous projects are the best suited for this traffic, and I can easily send a daily newsletter without pissing off users. It won't be a problem to use FB either. I'm still working on rescuing my FB account.

However, offering a new tracker in a very competitive market will not be easy either.

I'm not gonna offer a new tracker, I want to be a member of a team, so that, I only deal with technical staff and do not need to care about copywriting, etc.

 

[Graybeard]

but I'm gonna promote my personal offer.

I have a pebble on my desk <<How many grams does it weigh?
You gained something on your first try and now it's time to pivot ..
You gained building a tracker (that may work with modification) but the offers you were using were bogus [2]

1/4 win is better than no win --I can relate to that

 

[zqazfg1]

Best wishes and look forward for your updates.

 

[Amanda Crawl]

Amazing story! I am amazed . I look forward to more stories like this !