PR4 Marketable domain with 20 PR3 inner pages

RiverWire · Dec 11, 2007

temi · Dec 11, 2007

Do you have this on DP as welll?

RiverWire · Dec 11, 2007

No i haven't temi its listed here though

http://www.websiteauctionhub.com/fo...ble-domain-with-20-pr4-inner-pages-64311.html

athough the page isnt showing for some reason.

Im also thinking of sticking it on sitepoint tomorrow at some point.

temi · Dec 11, 2007

i see, well, I will keep and eye on how the sale is going, could be interested .

RiverWire · Dec 11, 2007

ok temi no problem if you like ill keep you informed on the sites its listed on too.

temi · Dec 11, 2007

cheers, keep me informed please

RiverWire · Dec 12, 2007

Somethings just come up so im lowering the BIN to $300, i might also be selling my bidding directory to fund a new bunch of sites.

I will post my bidding directory info in a separate thread once ive sorted somethings out.

Of course the below quote from the original post is no longer valid as the BIN is much lower now.

I will also throw a PR6 link for 3 month into the deal if it reaches the Buy it now.

espmartin · Dec 12, 2007

This is a parked domain?

RiverWire · Dec 12, 2007

no not parked just isnt hosting anything at the moment, thats godaddy's default page

temi · Dec 12, 2007

RiverWire said:
I will post my bidding directory info in a separate thread once ive sorted somethings out

Looking forward to the thread on you bidding directory as well

espmartin · Dec 12, 2007

RiverWire said:
no not parked just isnt hosting anything at the moment, thats godaddy's default page

Which means you'll loose that PR4 :cray:

RiverWire · Dec 12, 2007

Which means you'll loose that PR4

Where are you getting your info from ?, it doesn't mean that at all, if that was the case a domain that was left untouched for 2 months (PR4) and went back online a week before the last update got a PR6, how would you explain that ?

This domain has 17,000 backlinks from some good sites, anyone that buys this domain would only need to add new content and carry on the promoting.

espmartin · Dec 12, 2007

...a domain that was left untouched for 2 months (PR4) and went back online a week before the last update got a PR6

Google's TBPR updates are reflective of NOT JUST 1 or 2 weeks prior to its update. If
that were the case, sites just need to time it correctly, and remove sold links and black-hat
from their sites to get a great PR. PR is NOT just a reflection of a "great domain NAME" -
but is reflective of a site's content. You couldn't just buy a PR9 site, and throw a MFA
template on it, and expect to maintain that PR9.

Edited to say that all your backlinks (17,000) will carry a new site pretty far. But, once those links are
deemed "unrelated" to the new site's content (a new "niche") - how long to you expect Google to value them?
Yes, any backlink is better than NO backlinks, but have you heard of Latent Semantic Indexing (LSI)

RiverWire · Dec 12, 2007

PR has nothing to do with sites content, google has no way of judging a pages quality apart from duplicate content, PR is measured by the number of good quality backlinks the site has. SOOO if your site has 2 PR9 backlinks you will most likey get a PR7 or 8 in the next update

espmartin · Dec 12, 2007

PR has nothing to do with sites content, google has no way of judging a pages quality apart from duplicate content

Please refer to my previous link to LSI...

PR is measured by the number of good quality backlinks the site has. SOOO if your site has 2 PR9 backlinks you will most likey get a PR7 or 8 in the next update

You are telling me that if I had a crummy, spam-ridden site, and I bought 2 PR9 links, Google will give me
a PR7 or PR8? Are you serious

?

RiverWire · Dec 12, 2007

Well of course not there's more too it than that. But lets say you deleted all the backlinks from your PR4 site, then checked you site in say 2 updates time, id put big money on you dropping to a PR2 or lower.

The point im getting to is your original statement that just because the domain has no content on it for a time period you will defiantly lose the PR, which is total rubbish ! if that was the case every time your server crashed and showed a 404 error you'd lose pr ,now say if i left the domain untouched and it stayed on godaddys default page for say 3 months, over time it will slowly lose its PR ! Unless it has some really stong authority sites linking to it.

Which is why im selling it because if i dont sell it i will just leave it to waste away.

espmartin · Dec 12, 2007

If I sold you one of my web design PR3 sites with only 421 backlinks on it, and you put
up content based on "real estate in Tampa, Florida" - do you think the backlinks would be counted as
"relevant" to Google? If you answer yes, then we have to agree to disagree...

And as far as server downtime, of course your PR "should not" be affected. However, if you remove your
content for a month or so, and put up a totally different niche, do you expect to retain PR?
Again, if you answer yes, then we have to agree to disagree...

espmartin · Dec 12, 2007

There is even concern regarding changing domain name registration information, as it is
theorized that Google takes that into consideration when "valuing" a website.

RiverWire · Dec 12, 2007

Im affriad you are still going way off track of what we were talking about originally, below explains what page rank is and how its calculated.

How is PageRank calculated?

To calculate the PageRank for a page, all of its inbound links are taken into account. These are links from within the site and links from outside the site.

PR(A) = (1-d) + d(PR(t1)/C(t1) + ... + PR(tn)/C(tn))

That's the equation that calculates a page's PageRank. It's the original one that was published when PageRank was being developed, and it is probable that Google uses a variation of it but they aren't telling us what it is. It doesn't matter though, as this equation is good enough.

In the equation 't1 - tn' are pages linking to page A, 'C' is the number of outbound links that a page has and 'd' is a damping factor, usually set to 0.85.

We can think of it in a simpler way:-

a page's PageRank = 0.15 + 0.85 * (a "share" of the PageRank of every page that links to it)

"share" = the linking page's PageRank divided by the number of outbound links on the page.

A page "votes" an amount of PageRank onto each page that it links to. The amount of PageRank that it has to vote with is a little less than its own PageRank value (its own value * 0.85). This value is shared equally between all the pages that it links to.

From this, we could conclude that a link from a page with PR4 and 5 outbound links is worth more than a link from a page with PR8 and 100 outbound links. The PageRank of a page that links to yours is important but the number of links on that page is also important. The more links there are on a page, the less PageRank value your page will receive from it.

If the PageRank value differences between PR1, PR2,.....PR10 were equal then that conclusion would hold up, but many people believe that the values between PR1 and PR10 (the maximum) are set on a logarithmic scale, and there is very good reason for believing it. Nobody outside Google knows for sure one way or the other, but the chances are high that the scale is logarithmic, or similar. If so, it means that it takes a lot more additional PageRank for a page to move up to the next PageRank level that it did to move up from the previous PageRank level. The result is that it reverses the previous conclusion, so that a link from a PR8 page that has lots of outbound links is worth more than a link from a PR4 page that has only a few outbound links.

Whichever scale Google uses, we can be sure of one thing. A link from another site increases our site's PageRank. Just remember to avoid links from link farms.

Note that when a page votes its PageRank value to other pages, its own PageRank is not reduced by the value that it is voting. The page doing the voting doesn't give away its PageRank and end up with nothing. It isn't a transfer of PageRank. It is simply a vote according to the page's PageRank value. It's like a shareholders meeting where each shareholder votes according to the number of shares held, but the shares themselves aren't given away. Even so, pages do lose some PageRank indirectly, as we'll see later.

Ok so far? Good. Now we'll look at how the calculations are actually done.

For a page's calculation, its existing PageRank (if it has any) is abandoned completely and a fresh calculation is done where the page relies solely on the PageRank "voted" for it by its current inbound links, which may have changed since the last time the page's PageRank was calculated.

The equation shows clearly how a page's PageRank is arrived at. But what isn't immediately obvious is that it can't work if the calculation is done just once. Suppose we have 2 pages, A and B, which link to each other, and neither have any other links of any kind. This is what happens:-

Step 1: Calculate page A's PageRank from the value of its inbound links

Page A now has a new PageRank value. The calculation used the value of the inbound link from page B. But page B has an inbound link (from page A) and its new PageRank value hasn't been worked out yet, so page A's new PageRank value is based on inaccurate data and can't be accurate.

Step 2: Calculate page B's PageRank from the value of its inbound links

Page B now has a new PageRank value, but it can't be accurate because the calculation used the new PageRank value of the inbound link from page A, which is inaccurate.

It's a Catch 22 situation. We can't work out A's PageRank until we know B's PageRank, and we can't work out B's PageRank until we know A's PageRank.

Now that both pages have newly calculated PageRank values, can't we just run the calculations again to arrive at accurate values? No. We can run the calculations again using the new values and the results will be more accurate, but we will always be using inaccurate values for the calculations, so the results will always be inaccurate.

The problem is overcome by repeating the calculations many times. Each time produces slightly more accurate values. In fact, total accuracy can never be achieved because the calculations are always based on inaccurate values. 40 to 50 iterations are sufficient to reach a point where any further iterations wouldn't produce enough of a change to the values to matter. This is precisiely what Google does at each update, and it's the reason why the updates take so long.

One thing to bear in mind is that the results we get from the calculations are proportions. The figures must then be set against a scale (known only to Google) to arrive at each page's actual PageRank. Even so, we can use the calculations to channel the PageRank within a site around its pages so that certain pages receive a higher proportion of it than others.

Either way, just because the domain im selling is currently sitting on goaddy default page it doesn't mean its going to lose the current PR, i kinda feel like we going around in circles so ill leave it at that.

RiverWire · Dec 12, 2007

There is even concern regarding changing domain name registration information, as it is
theorized that Google takes that into consideration when "valuing" a website.

Not sure about that but on the same note there is talk all the time that google takes preference with some webmasters but weather that true is another matter

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