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How much time before you get a decent PR?

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimisation' started by ayushpant, Jul 6, 2007.

  1. ayushpant

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    Hi,

    I had this question brimming in my mind that what factors can really count for your PR. I understand that getting one way links from high PR pages can play a major role.

    But, is it possible that you get a decent PR by investing in one way links? For example, I plan to buy 15-20 high PR links from PR4-PR8. Of course, I will have good content on the site as well.

    Would I be able to get a decent PR in a month's period if I spend considerable time in SEO, and getting high PR links.

    Just a thought, I would like to see what others have to say on this topic?
     
  2. Larwee

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  3. ayushpant

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  4. TheCuteKidDave

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    You can achieve higher rankings within a month but the PR Google toolbar likely won't reflect your increased PR for a few months. However, keep adding pages and unique content to your site and adding inbound links as you have started to do and you will see better search engine rankings.
     
  5. ayushpant

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    Hey Dave,

    Thanks for the reply. I will be adding fresh content almost every day. Upto 5-6 things a day. Also, I plan to purchase lot of high quality relevant high PR links. Lets see where it goes.
     
  6. TheCuteKidDave

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    Make sure you make those link acquisitions from really respectable sites if possible with a PR 6 or better. Looks for sites that are somewhat related to yours but there are arguements about whether related is really necessary with inbound link...search engines realize that any site can link to any site. (this is likely a thread of its own). Hope this helps.
     
  7. ayushpant

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    Hey,

    I will make sure that I get inbound links that are doing well. Your reply definitely helps!!!
     
  8. TheCaymanHost

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    Contributors and readers of this thread might be interested to read the following (rather huge discussion) regarding buying and selling of links in attempts to increase Google page rank.

    Matt Cutts: Gadgets, Google, and SEO ? How to report paid links

    It would seem that Google are already well on the way with their plans to attempt to put a stop to paid links affecting Page Rank. In concise terms, Google do not want page rank skewed by the selling and buying of links - their aim is to disregard links that have been bought/sold in terms of page rank. Therefore, buying links for that reason alone is probably ill advised. Buying links for traffic is another matter entirely. This stance from Google is not new, they have always advised that buying links solely in an attempt to increase page rank is not a strategy they like or condone. They have advised for some time that paid links should include a 'rel=nofollow' tag and it seems that they are moving ever closer towards ignoring paid links as a PR determining factor.

    I picked this up from another thread here on the forums that steered me to a blog post about John Chow's fall from Google grace - many seem to feel because of paid links - that is just a rumour however and I don't personally believe it stacks up.

    This has opened a can of worms alright, with recriminations and accusations flying everywhere, but the arguments from webmasters and Google themselves make for interesting reading and will maybe help you in your future SEO plans.

    Google page rank, as Larwee has already pointed out in his earlier post, is not any kind of guarantee of a high search engine ranking for a particular keyphrase or keyword search.

    Mo
     
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  9. jcorkern

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    Likes are rated By the Title and content and the PR of the page, not the site it comes from, so You could get a PR7 page linking to your site and it not have any of your keywords in the title or content and it will be next to worthless, and it is a violation of the T.O.S. of all major search engines.

    Buying links is risky, at best.
     
  10. ayushpant

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    Excellent points!!!
     
  11. TxDon

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    Well, the actual answer to your question is at the next Google PR update! (all things being equal) LOL

    Buying quallity one way links to your site is a proven and successful way of jumpstarting your site. When done properly, there is little risk involved.
     
  12. beamup

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    Hello

    I always believe the links from related website works good. Otherwise there is not use of getting links from irrelevant websites. The way I see it I have to target those visitors/customers who are interested on my content not from others. What do you think on this? I dont just go run to get High PR, it might downfall..

    Steve
     
  13. DamienOh

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    I believe that the key to attaining a decent PR is to first consistently build content, then build incoming links from related website. There is no point in getting a high PR if there is no content in your site.

    I have seen many sites with a high PR, but cannot be found in the Google SERP. I have also seen some low PR sites with solid content dominate the first page of Google search.
     
  14. jcorkern

    jcorkern <b>Senior Member - SEO Pro<br />Global Moderator</ Administrator

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    Pr is determind by title and content plus links

    If you site is targeting real estate in small town U.S.A. it may only take 50 links(proper) to reach PR4. But to get a pr4 for a term like "dallas real estate", you will need close to 2 k links. There are many factors that determine PR, the 3 main ones are title, Links and then content.

    Content is way over rated unless you have an information only site.

    There will be many that will disagree with me on this statement but the facts support my claim that content without links as a foundation is completely worthless.

    I have seen many sites with an abundance of quality content and a lack of links that have no traffic. I currently have many customers that had beautiful websites prior to using my services and had absolutely no traffic. To illustrate this lets build 2 imaginary websites here. The first website is built with loads of quality content, just page after page of well written and informative content and the website is launched live on the net. Three months go by and no traffic is showing up to visit this king without a throne. Now lets try to get some people to come and worship this king. Lets send out the messengers to let the world know that the king lives. We send the messengers and do not give them information on where the king is located (Links). Again, no one shows up. Now, Lets take this a step further, you place the message out in public that the king lives but just a general direction to him; just a posted url that is not an active link on a high traffic site. How many people do you think will copy and paste the url in their browser if it is not an active link from a small ad? Not many. Now lets look at the natural search results. This is like having the king on the top of a mountain. But this king is content and he is in the valley, he has nothing to lift him to the top of the mountain (links bring you to the top of the serps). So this lonely King dies of old age a lonely old man because he had no throne or foundation.

    Now lets do site number two. This king has built his throne of links. He has links to his location all over the land and they lift him to the top of the mountain and the whole world can see him and have a clear direction to him. He is easy to find and worship because he is easy to come before. He may not have as much content as the other king but he has the multitudes to visit him and he is happy.

    This may sound like a fictional story and a lot of wishful thinking, But you can have a website full of content and have no visitors. There are people out in the SEO world that would like you to believe that links are no longer a factor. Content writers that push this content is king theory because they are content writers and their livelihood depends on it. Content has its place and is very important to a website. Once you get a visitor on the site content is important. It will keep them on the site. Let me make this one thing very clear! You will Never get any decent amount of traffic from content alone. I have listened to many people say that if you have quality content that people will flock to your website. This is totally false. How will they find you without links? Ohhhh, I see, you say the search engines. Well if you are found in the search engines, then they have a link to your website on the search engine. You say articles? There is an active link in the resources box. No matter how you look at it, there is limited to no traffic without links. There are several advantages to content. You can impress a visitor once they get to your site, you can convince them to use your service or buy your product. And if you have enough juice coming in from links you can get default content search results and lots of them. Now lets look at one of the most trafficked ecommerce sites on the net, shopzilla.com. If you take a look at their website they lack in content in an awful way; nothing but links, images, and a few small descriptions. Not what I would call Royal Content. Yet they rank in the top of the search engines for tens and hundreds of thousands of keywords worldwide. I wonder why they rank so highly if content is king and links are second rate? Just for fun lets do a back link check. Here are the results. Yahoo is showing 617,505 back links, Google showing right at 254,000 links and MSN is boasting 114,850 to shopzillas credit.

    When you investigate the actual facts you will see that King Content is 100% worthless without a good foundation of links to support him!

    The engineers at the search engines who write the algorithms are not lacking in intelligence and have put a balanced program together to rank sites. We do not live in a perfect world. But they have done a very good job of leveling the playing field when it comes to natural search results.

    If you use the whole program you will benefit from natural search results. No one component will take you to the top of any business, online or brick and mortar. You have to learn to use the complete system to thrive in any business. All of the parts work together; Links, Content, customer relations, viral marketing, Pr campaigns, and many other methods working in tandem like a well tuned engine.
     
  15. raananschwartz

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    Yahoo is fastest, MSN might take some weeks - but google will take some time.
    just dont look at google every day and start to promote it..
     
  16. lexiseek

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    The problem with PR is it is always about 90 days out of date and doesn't update often enough to even worry about most days. Of course, I'm not saying that you shouldn't be curious about it, but sometimes a PR bar doesn't really give you a good perspective of the entire site. Some very low PR websites still manage to do very well for themselves.

    To me, traffic is a better indicator of how well a site is doing.. some of that traffic coming from links, others from repeat visitors. Just try to build the best website that you can and if needed, look for relevant links to your most important pages.

    Good luck!
     
  17. MrCat

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    Traffic is indeed the right way to gauge a site's success IMO. Quality traffic that converts. Best that you also focus on this and try out targetted link backs, ppc, etc. ;)
     
  18. lexiseek

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    It never hurts to have a multi faceted approach to building up a site. PR is just one factor in a very complex algo.

    Most people that I know (that aren't webmasters) don't even know what the heck a PR bar is. I guess that just shows us that not everyone in the universe pays attention to this type of thing.
     
  19. longroad

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    Toolbar PR is the worthless side of PR.

    Pagerank that is distributed throughout your site is what you should be focussing on.
     
  20. fitnfree

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    I sure understand being eager to get things going, but I'd caution you on those paid links -- it may harm you more than help you. It's best to get your site to stand on its own merit...good luck!
     

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